Well fucking said 18446! It's amazing how many people in the world seem to be
on the "inside" when it comes to information in the world.
"Oh yeah! Didn't you know we invaded Iraq because they had toilets made of
gold?! Yeah, it had nothing to do with freedom!"
I'm sure you people talk with G.W.B. every day and ask him what his latest evil
plot is and why he does it. You _are_ on the joint chiefs of staff aren't
you?
Not only that, too many people think that just becuase no WMD's were found, that
obviously there were none. *The absence of proof is not the proof of absence!*
Look at it this way: Let's say you are throwing a party one night and you have a
good supply of weed, mushrooms and cocaine in the house. Now, let's pretend a
police officer knocks on the door because of a noise complaint. Suppose he
smells alcohol on your breath and demands to enter and search the house. You
refuse. It's your legal right, it's your house. So the cop says, "Fine,
we'll be back in an hour with a warrant." This gives you time to run to the
toilet and flush all the drugs away, or even bury them in the back yard. You do
after all have a backyard that's huge.
Now, when the cops come back with a warrant, you still don't let them in. Now
they have to use force to get in. So they do and arrest everyone there in the
process. Now after a thorough search, they find no drugs. But why you say!? Oh
wait! They were flushed down the toilet! So, obviously, the drugs never existed!
Right?
I mean come on! We gave Saddam too many chances to rid himself of WMD's that
were being developed and he refused searches of his facilities. So finally, when
we decide that it needs to be solved now or never, we come in full force. But
Saddam, having weeks if not months of notice, has already "flushed"
his toys down the shitter or buried them in the vast desert of Iraq (86.07% of
Iraq's 437,072 km² is nothing but desert wasteland). So when we searched
everywhere that we could, we found nothing. Surprising? Not really.
Sounds like you WANT trouble, and you shall have it. They're coming to get you
because of what you government has done. Ever heard of the Shah of Iran? The
US has attacked country after country and now that our victims are striking
back, you dickheads are bent out of shape. What sissies. What cry-babies.
AmeriKKKan fuck heads!
Well as payback we have screwed the Taliban, killed Saddams boys, jailed
Saddam, invaded Iraq and maybe next year Ayatolla ass is gonna be on the
run...so as long as you fucking arabs dont mind getting fucked 4 times as much
"BRING IT ON"...
We armed the Taliban! Isn't it enough that we get our asses kicked where ever
we try to install puppet governments friendly to our sick aims. And true
enough, we're getting our asses kicked again. Insane that you fuck wads still
believe we're winning! Oh, and like we won in Vietnam too. Dumb as a bag of
rocks you are!
Wonder why the American educational system is soo poor? Could it be that it's
not in the best interest of the government to have citizens who think
independently? Better keep you stupid! Easier to feed you on red, white, and
blue propaganda.
You shmuck are all idiots! I guess you think that Neville Chamberlain had the
right idea in WWII. Those terrorist understand only one thing and a policy of
appeasement is just asking for more trouble.
WE ATTACKED THEM FIRST. It's not appeasement I'm recommending;I'm asking my
government to abandon it's unilateral agression, a policy that it has follwoed
since the end of the World War. What part of that don't YOU understand, fuck
wad?
I guess you know all about being a fuck wad, we have been getting attacked by
those towel headed pussies since the early 90's. They are all living in about
the 13th century, thanks to their own graft filled goverments who do nothing for
them accept keep them poor and stupid. They take in billions from the oil and
live like kings while their people live in tents off of goat meat. If they want
to know why their lives suck, let them look to their own leaders.
WE supported brutal dictators throughout the Middle East since the 50's.
Supported the Shah of Iran. Supported dicatorships in Saudi and Kuwait, among
others, since the 40's. Those dicatorships sold oil to become rich and let
their people eat goat meat. They could pull that off because of western
military support. Of course we always maintained we were protecting our
economic interests. WE ARMED OSAMA BIN LADEN in the 90's! I know arab people.
They have historically liked Americans, but they hate what our government does.
They are retaliating against US aggression and intervention in their affairs.
Just because you live in the United States doesn't mean you're always right.
Our country has been an aggressor throughout the world for 50 or more years.
Why else do you supposed they want to attack us so badly. Bush says they hate
our freedom. Do you actually believe that? They want us to STOP fucking with
them. They are fair and decent people, and if we stop, they will too. But if
we continue, they will come here and terrorize you until you learn your lesson.
AmeriKKKa is on it's way down. You can beat the drums and repeat the mantra
"we're the greatest, we're the best, god loves us more." In the end
it isn't going to matter. The whole world knows what's going to happen, but you
poor undereducated AmeriKKKans sit blindly and repeat the party line, and march
lockstep into the abyss. It's your future; do as you will. You could stop this
now, but you haven't the will or the brains. Good luck.
FUCK YOU, I'm tired of the world blaming the U.S. for it's problems. If your
like sucks then it's your fault not ours. If you feel oppressed, then it's
because you and the other whiners in your communist country keep putting in the
same stupid greedy leaders. It's time for you to take responsibility for your
own like and stop crying like babies because someone has more than you!!
27225, let me give you a little history lesson, because you sure don't have a
clue, as is often the case with overzealous people like you. Ignorance always
breeds hate and extremism. And I am also guessing your bias is driven by Arab
descent (if not you are truly stange). American foreign policy has been driven
by perceived threats, not a quest for "oil". During the cold war, the
United States was the only thing capable of stopping the Soviet Union from
enforcing it's repressive ideology all over the world. If you don't know, the
USSR was an extremely aggressive group that were bent on increasing its power,
and was a major threat to the way of live we hold sacred. In no way was victory
assured. If they were successful, writings like yours would be monitored and you
and your entire family would be incarcerated in camps for being
"unpatriotic". Just look at North Korean death camps today for an
idea. In some desperate situations, the United States supported non democratic
regimes in order to check the spread of Soviet control. The middle east was one
of many areas of contention for influence. The invasion of Afghanistan by the
Soviet Union was an attempt to increase influence over Iran and check the
growing fanatical Islamic militancy in region. The US supported anyone prepared
to fight the Soviet invasion, including Islamic militants. This is how the Al
Qaeda was formed. No one knew that once the Soviets were defeated that the Al
Qaeda would fanatically seek religious glory against the west.
I live in the US. If you're tired of the blame, then have some backbone and
stand up to your government. It's time WE stopped OUR government from mettling
in the affairs of others. Example: AmeriKKKa continuously laments the
unstability in the world, but continues to sell arms to any and all who will
pay. Don't provide the weapons, then innocently wonder why the world is going
to hell. THere's a reason why they hate you, and it isn't because you're
superior or free. Oh, and concerning the big FUCK YOU; no thanks I already had
some today.
"I know Arab people. They have historically liked Americans"
Anonymous@27225 , this simply is not true. Wahabi Islamic schools teach hatred
of anything non Islamic. From a very young age, many Arabs are indoctrinated to
hate anyone who does not pray to their god. Instead of learning math and
science, these schools teach religious extremism and intolerance. Islamic
militancy is truly one of the greatest threats to civilization the world has
ever witnessed.
Al Qaeda doesn't "seek glory," they merely want to preserve their
political sovereignty and their culture. In short, they don't hate us more than
the Soviets, they hate us equally, and were willing to play one against the
other to get freedom from our oppression. Please understand that I am an
American citizen of Irish-German decent. Now how do you explain ME? I'm
honest, open-minded, and willing to understand the real reasons why our victims
have suddenly found the courage to gang up and fight back. This day was always
coming. And we can't defeat them all. Rather than follow Bush's extremist
policy of "we'll defeat them all- North Koreans, Iranians, Iraqis, Al
Queada, Solomians, Vietnamese, Cubans, and on and on, why don't we learn from
our past mistakes and realize that not everyone is like us. We are exporting
democracy, as much as we wish it were so. WE are in an indefensible position
and digging our heals in harder. We aren't going to win this one. We can't
give them our way of life whether they want it or not. It's OVER. The Soviet
Union died a natural death; it's own people took care of that. How much a
threat were they really? Well, blowing up the world several time over was never
the answer, so perhaps no one really had the upper hand. Maybe it was a smoke
screen perpetuated by both governments to keep the pressure on the populations
to follow the party line. It was and always has been a matter of "national
security" hasn't it, when we've brutalize others? If you want to
understand how a "Climate of Fear" plays into the hands of the
government to keep us all in line, I suggest you see "Bowling for
Columbine," and above all, try to be open-minded, honest and slightly
willing to bend a little. We don't dictate anything in the modern world. You
may believe we do, but it just isn't so...
"AmeriKKKa continuously laments the unstability in the world, but
continues to sell arms to any and all who will pay"
Again 27225, you have a very naive understanding of the big picture of
geopolitics. If you don't understand complicated things then you should spend
your time on more productive endeavors, like collecting stamps or something.
The US sells weapons if that sale helps counter a national threat. They don't
just sell Apache helicopters to anyone. If you are so knowledeable about US
foreign policy, please specify exactly what "mettling" (actually spelt
'meddling') and weapon sales you are talking about.
Now do you have first hand knowledge of what all islamic religious schools
teach, or are you talking about specific ones? I KNOW arabs who live in the
Middle East and they generally like Americans. This is true of most people in
the world. They admire your openness to others, but they see your educational
limitations. YOU wree raised under veil of educational intolerence. It
permieates nearly every statement.
Oh, well Mr. Anonymous thou who understands it all. Please 'plain it to me and
correct my spelling while you're at it. Typical AmeriKKKan arrogance. We do
sell our weapons to anyone (or at least they end up in nearly anyone's hands).
I know, we pretend surprise and dismay. We do meddle in the internal affairs of
other countries for the purpose of our own "national security." Now,
where do I start? How about the time we attacked Cuba because our president and
his brother decided that Cuba shouldn't be communist. We install Noreaga in
Panama , then staged a bloody coup against him when he wouldn't do what he was
told. Or Vietnam, where we attempted to make SE Asia safe for AmeriKKKan style
democracy, or was it oil- hmmmm! The list goes on and on. If you don't know
this stuff, I'm sorry, but I can't help you. How do you think Iraq got divided
up beteen warring Arab factions- Sunni, Shiite, and Kurds? Internal stability
works in our favor, doesn't it, until the situation explodes. Why did the US
supply weapons and intelligence to the Shah. What a bloodthirsty bastard that
was. All we ever wanted was to give them democracy sounds pretty like a lie
when you think about some of the people we've supported. Other countries are
sick of our meddling and want us out. It's over!
"Al Qaeda doesn't "seek glory," they merely want to preserve
their political sovereignty and their culture"
LOL that is good. So you think you know what is motivating these Islamic
fanatics to indiscriminately slaughter innocent people. They are RELIGIOUS
EXTREMISTS!!! They are not motivated by the same logic that westerners take for
granted. When Bin Laden was a child, his brothers and sisters thought he was a
self righteous pious religious nut. Al Qaeda believes that society should adhere
to strict Islamic teachings, and that the freedom of individual expression that
western culture values is a threat to their austere visions of society. Just
look at Afghanistan during the Taliban era to see what kind of society they
want. Women had no rights whatsoever. They were not even allowed medical care in
any way. Women ,whose only crime were likely accidentally showing their face in
public, were routinely rounded up and marched to a soccer field to be shot in
the head in front of cheering men. It was a nightmare regime. This brand of
Islam uses fear and the threat of violent death to ensure that the average
person adheres to THEIR strict view how people should live. Individual life has
no value to these people. They are literally something straight out of the
darkest period of human history.
AmeriKKKan fundamentalism wants a society that adheres to strict christian
teachings, to destroy the freedom of individual expression that is a threat to
their austere visions of society. Just look at AmeriKKa during the Bush era to
see what kind of society they want. Women have fewer rights. No one gets proper
medical care unless they work and contribute to the system. Countries that
resist AmeriKKKan intervention are brutalized, invaded, and occupied. This a
nightmare regime. This brand of "democracy" uses fear and the threat
of violent death to ensure that the average person adheres to THEIR strict view
how people should live. Individual life has no value to these people. They are
literally something straight out of the darkest period of human history. Yes, we
all go through development as a society. It wasn't long ago that black people
couldn't vote in the US. Many were rounded up and killed. No one invaded us to
enforce morality. We worked through our problems. Aren't there other countries
where the same terrible Taliban type conditions exist? Why don't we invade them
to enforce morality? Perhaps there's just no profit in it? Look, you can sound
reall good talking about how we want to help women and promote freedom, but in
reality, we've never done that. We're just invaders imposing our economic and
military will on other countries. Geez, if we really cared about women and
children that much, wouldn't we make sure they were all covered by medical
insurance. Yeah, we're out to make the world a better place (for our own
political gains), but we forget how our current situation at home looks to the
people we're trying to better. It's pretty hypocritical when you look at it
like that.
Indescriminant attacks? They're killing tax payers to try and make us stop
funding the military exploits of our government. Believe me, if our government
we're so well protected, they'd be taking the brunt of islamic attacks.
"How about the time we attacked Cuba "
First of all, the United States never attacked Cuba. Where did you get that
from? The CIA supported a Cuban exile group and their efforts failed in the
"Bay of Pigs" invasion. The reason the Cuban exiles failed was because
Kennedy refused to allow US air support or any direct involvement by US forces.
Again, Cuba under Soviet control represented a SERIOUS THREAT to national
security. Cuba is just off the coast of Florida! The Soviets built nuclear
missiles in Cuba that could wipe out half the US within minutes, before the US
could assess and respond.
Manuel Noriega obtained power in Panama on his own accord. He did sell
information to the CIA but would provide favors to anyone if it served his own
interests. He turned Panama into a narcotic state and again this was not in the
interests of the United States.
Viet Nam, what "oil" are you talking about??? The US was helping
South Viet Nam fight the aggressive communists in North Viet Nam. Allowing the
communists to control all of Viet Nam was seen as possibly allowing them assert
control over the entire South East Asian region including Thailand which was
termed the "Domino Effect". Please refer to my "history
lesson" about the Cold War to see why this was not acceptable. Actually,
read the history lesson to answer all your questions of what guided US foreign
policy in the past. It was the COLD WAR. People don't understand how serious it
was apparently. I am thankful naive people like you weren't making the decisions
back then.
What "military exploits" are you talking about??? Iraq?? The Islamic
militants were attacking innocent people long before that war. Are you actually
justifying killing innocent people just because they pay taxes??? They deserved
to die because they can't defend themselves while the governement can???? Your
last post really makes me wonder if you are a rational person actually. I might
be debating with a complete nut here. So those people in Spain and London
deserved to die on their way to work? The children onboard the hijacked planes
on September 11 deserved to die because they can't defend themselves?
You mean the Cubans had missiles, somewhat like the missiles we had in Germany
directly on the border of the soviet countries? How dare them expect to do what
we were doing! Didn't they realize how superior we were? IN Vietnam there was
a small regieme that would have easily fallen to the north had we not
interviened for years and years. In Cuba, we supported the insurgents to the
point of providing equipment and manpower. The Cold War was a stand off. Both
spheres used fear of the other to maintain control over their people. The only
true threat was utter inihilation, and neither side appearently wanted that.
Incidentially, it was exactly people like me, a vocal majority, who brought the
Vietnam "Crisis" to an end.
Palitinian children mowed down by US weapons couldn't defend themselves.
Japanese citizens at Hiroshima and Nagasaki couldn't defend themselves.
Vietnamese citizens upon whom we dropped bombs and nepalm couldn't defend
themselves. When you can't get the government, you get the people. It breaks
the will of the society to resist. Doesn't work just when the cause is
justifiable. Always works. Yes, Al Queada attacked Spanish and British
citizens because the governments of those countries engaged in a military
campaign in islamic countries. And Germany bombed the fuck out of the Londoners
to soften England up for invasion. And the US dropped bombs in Cambotia before
the invasion of that country. What is your point, really? Is it okay when we
do it, but not okay when they do it back to us?
Just like Bush said,it will be a long war and we will have to attack terrorism
wherever it is.Its been 4 years and the taliban was routed and Sadam
arrested,Khadafi is playing nice,and we have found out two of our two faced
friends in France and Germany.We have accomplished much and will continue.Either
way we were attacking nobody in the 90's yet the attacks increased untill 9-11
but in the last 4 years its been quiet,the reason is because they dont get free
passes anymore.They are on the run and have more important things to think about
like defending there home land(to bad!)which would not be happening if they did
not attack.Its to simple of a plan for someone of a high intellect like yours
to understand but very functional.
Attack terrorism? Where is that country? Anywhere we decide we'd like to
attack? So attacks have stopped? All is quiet? Hundreds of AmeriKKKan die
quietly in Iraq every month, I guess. No need to come here when the government
exposes itself on the battlefield daily! The entire world cautioned us about
invading Iraq, but we marched right in against world opinion, and now we're
mired down, just as we always are. We have minimal support from other
countries. We're suppored by many who wnat economic favors like the Poles. So
they throw a few soldiers our way to feign support. The Brits? Well, their
citizens we against invading with us from the start. FAce it, we're isolated
and looking stupid again! Where are the weapons we invaded to destroy. Uh-oh,
there were none? So now our citizens are dying in large numbers in a battle for
a country where no one wants us. Again! Seems we've made these mistakes
before.
What was the point of your 10:57 pm post??? It had no point. These missiles
were so close to the US that a Soviet strike would take out the majority of the
US retaliation measures. This meant that there would be no deterrent to a first
strike by the Soviets. You are making strong opinions on things you don't fully
understand.
How can you reasonably think that the United States is responsible if an Israeli
soldier shoots a Palestinian? Israel manufactures it's own rifles for one thing.
The US sells weapon systems like the Apache helicopter in accordance to a United
Nations resolution in 1947 that created the state of Israel on Israeli ancestral
land. What Israel does to defend itself from incessant, relentless arab attacks
is its business. I wonder how you would react if every day some fanatical group
blew up a cafe full of teenagers in your neighborhood.
The Hiroshima Nagasaki nuclear strike is complicated, not a black and white
issue like you believe. Hundreds of thousands of US soldiers would have been
killed in an invasion of Japan and millions of Japanese would have fought to the
death if it wasn't for those strikes. The conflict would have gone on for years,
and Stalin would have joined in for a share in the power distribution. I have
actually researched this topic extensively and I am sure you don't have a clue
what the issues were at the time.
The Spanish troops were helping to rebuild roads and schools. They were
providing security because there was no effective Iraqi police to prevent
anarchy. The average Iraqi welcomed them. The average Iraqi celebrated the
removal of Saddams's regime. Only the Sunni elite are upset. You really are a
demented person and you are boring me with your predictable intransigent anti-US
propaganda. I have heard the same twisted logic bullshit too many times.
By the way 27225,your numbers are a little twisted 74 died in august,third
highest.The only months with heavier combat losses were April 2004 (126 killed)
and November 2004 (125 killed), when U.S. forces launched full-scale assaults in
the western town of Fallujah.
If you're sooooo bored, why do you continue to respond. The point I was making
about Cuba (again, since you appear to have missed it) is that if the US can
have nuclear missiles on the soviet border, why can't the Soviet Union have
missles near the US border. The question of deterrence goes both ways (at least
in MY mind). Your arguments are very on-sided, which is what I would expect
from a pro-military, fascist type. So now the US doesn't support Israel? Ha!
That's a laugh. We all know it's true. And you make assumption about that
which you know nothing. I may be pro-Israel, but innocent Palestinians who are
the vast majority have had their children killed, their homes destroyed, etc,
and their perception is that the US government played a part in that. Look, if
want to deny that the US palyed any role in the many wars launched in the past
50 years, if the nuclear attacks on Japan were so complicated that none of us
poor mortals could possibly begin to understand what you, oh master, know to be
true, go stick yer head back in the sand and believe what you will. Continue to
twist your historical facts to support what you already believe about the world.
It really comes down to one question. If all you say is true, that the US is
innocent and has never been the aggressor in any world conflict, why is it that
the rest of the world hates us so? Bush says they hate our freedom. I find
your arguments and your round one laughable (like you control something????).
Your assertion that all has been "quiet" since 9-11 is a joke. We're
mired in a war where AmeriKKKans die daily fighting another unwinable conflict.
If that's okay with you, then it's okay, but I believe the majority of
AmeriKKKans aren't okay with it. So that makes you the minority opinion. !
Ah, well China is another issue. Wonder why our misleaders so willingly run a
trade deficit with a communist trading partner who threatens our position in the
world. Perhaps our representitives no longer represent US? I would make that
last statement in a slighly differnt way, but I agree wholeheartedly. AmeriKKKa
IS REAPING what it has sown.
after reading this saga i feel that 27225 is a retard who doesnt know how to
spell. He also doesnt know what a history book is either. 95205 im pretty much
with you on what youve said..but i dont believe the atomic bombs needed to be
dropped to be honest. Japan at that stage was starved, and the war was pretty
much over. i doubt very much they could have launched any sort of effective
attack that couldve changed the outcome of the war. but then again the leader of
japan at the time was a ruthless bastard and refused to surrender no matter what
the cost. until of course he saw the proof in front of his eyes that the war was
unwinnable.
im not particularly knowledgeable about the whole israel/palestine conflict..but
lets think about it..israel is definately NOT an innocent player in this one.
tanks vs rocks & molotovs. not a chance. but because both sides have
commited so many acts of unspeakable killing and murder the chances of both
countrys living peacefully is slim to none. i was AMAZED that isreal has pulled
out of one section of the disputed territory...even its own people fighting
against the army. progress? maybe but who knows. whats interesting to note that
on any world map or globe the area isreal/palestine having been fighting over
all these years is always in grey and put as "Israel occupied territory
since 1947".
no matter what you say it's still going to happen. that's the world today!! you
all fight like little girls on here and think your opinion matters foolish
little rabbits you are..
It really comes down to one question. If all you say is true, that the US is
innocent and has never been the aggressor in any world conflict, why is it that
the rest of the world hates us so?
It really comes down to one question. If all you say is true, that the US is
innocent and has never been the aggressor in any world conflict, why is it that
the rest of the world hates us so??
It really comes down to one question. If all you say is true, that the US is
innocent and has never been the aggressor in any world conflict, why is it that
the rest of the world hates us so???
Instead of guessing what the issues were when the Hiroshima / Nagasaki bombs
were used, read what the actual facts were. A good web page is [www.waszak.com] .
Millions of Japanese were prepared to die to fight for their emperor and home
land. It is deeply ingrained in the culture to not surrender dishonorably. This
fact was made obvious in the small island invasions on the way to the Japan home
island. The Japanese soldiers would not surrender, they fought on to the death
as long as they were ordered to. Women living on the invaded islands jumped of
cliffs to their deaths rather than face humiliating surrender to the despised
foreigners. Hundreds of thousands of US troops would have been killed in the
horrible battle. Being killed in face to face combat was the only honorable
outcome for the Japanese. However, being incinerated by a faceless bomb was not
honorable, and therefore the nuclear bombs compelled the Japanese military elite
and emperor to order Japanese society to lay down their arms. MILLIONS of people
would have been killed if the United States invaded Japan. Instead, about
200,000 Japanese were killed. Remember, it was the unprovoked Japanese who
attacked the United States at Pearl Harbor. Also many people do not realize, the
Japanese slaughtered MILLIONS of Chinese in an attempt at genocide. They even
experimented using biological weapons (black plague) on Chinese villages. Japan
deemed the Chinese inferior and had aspirations of annexing a part of China for
the Japanese Empire.
Anonymous@27225 about Israel, again you are over simplifying a very complex
issue, and forming strong opinions on things that are beyond your grasp. (every
average Joe thinks they are an expert on geopolitics apparently) Yes, the
United States supports Israel in accordance with the UN resolution of 1947 to
create the state of Israel on their ANCESTRAL land. Israel was then attacked by
its neighbours many times, one of which was the war of 67. The United States
sells weapons to Israel in order to deter Israel's neighbours from invading
again. According to you, Israel is indiscriminately slaughtering Palestinian
women and children. If this was true, there would be no Palestinians alive
today. The truth is, Palestinian militants attack Israeli civilians regularly
and then flee and hide behind women and children. When Israeli Defense Forces
respond, collateral damage occurs. Israel destroys the homes of suicide bombers
because the families of suicide bombers receive large cash payments from islamic
militant groups. Therefore a financial deterrent is needed to counter the
financial incentive to kill Israeli civilians.
It really comes down to one question. If all you say is true, that the US is
innocent and has never been the aggressor in any world conflict, why is it that
the rest of the world hates us so???
Because most people are ignorant and have a naive understanding of the
responsibilities and challenges of being a global superpower. The United States
responds to perceived threats and has the right to do so. I am sure the same
hateful opinions were voiced about the ancient Roman Empire and the British
Empire. It's human nature.
*sigh* It's difficult being a superpower. No partner power to make you
breakfast in the morning, having to watch over and punish all the other littler
powers. It's a lonely job.
But, dadgummit! the US will consistantly step up and drop illegal cluster bombs
on anyone who challenges us! We are bringing Freedom(tm) and Democracy(tm) to
all you sorry bitches, and you'd better like it, or else! We're here, we're
/NOT/ queer, and we're gonna keep on making you brown people toe the fucking
line, and we WILL NOT take any more of your SHIT! Got it? (Jeee-zus...) We'll
keep you confused with Strategic Ambiguity(tm), and use Shock and Awe(tm) to
ensure that you cower in terror of our mighty might.
Walk softly, take what you want, and carry a Big Fuckin' Stick! /THAT's/ our
policy, and we're stickin' to it!
(Until the economy tanks and China takes over, that is...)
Ah, I understand about the Japanese now. Since they slaughtered millions, and
since they were willing to fight to the death to defend their homeland, that
gave us the right to use a weapon of mass annihilation. I see. And the reason
they hate us is because they just don't understand us. To know us is to love
us, right? Idiots.
Anonymous@12098 no you are an idiot. Yes, if using a weapon of any kind will
save the lives of millions of people then that is a no-brainer good decision.
What the hell is your point??? That is like saying "aaahhh, I understand
the Nazis now. Just because the Nazis exterminated millions of Jews and Slavs,
invaded all of its surrounding neighbours, killed 20 million Russians, and cost
an unfathomable economic toll on humanity, that gives us the right to defeat
their armies and execute them huh?" You are stating the obvious yet trying
to express it sarcastically. Strange....
Oh, boo-hoo! those POOOR terrorists, they're being oppressed! Why all this
bombing and murder of innocents is just their cry for help! Perhaps you
bootlicking europussies can invite them over for tea and biscuits, and give 'em
a few words of comfort so they won't be so upset at all of us!
So I take it you haven't read a single post here and just decided to make a
mindless, moronic comment like a good little AmeriKKKan jerk-off? The
discussion was concerning the Japanese at the end of world war 2 and had nothing
to do with terrorists (unless you consider the US governement a terrorist
organization?) or "euro-pussies (I am an AmeriKKKan citizen but certainly
NO AmeriKKKan). Get a brain, dumbass!
Anonymous@27225 : You don't seem to understand what kind of environment existed
during World War 2. Millions of people were being killed. Untold billions in
economic loss. More Americans would be killed in a few hours than the entire
Iraq war today. It was an era that people today really can't comprehend. Who's
lives should the United States worry about in a time of maximal effort all-out
war??? The Japanese were NEVER worried about saving American lives. They wanted
to kill as many Americans as they could. If they had a nuclear weapon you can be
sure they would have used it on an American city. (the Germans tried to develop
nukes but their labs were blown up in bombing raids) The Japanese were very
efficient in genocidal slaughter actually and they proved that in China. One
thing they did was develop a virulent form of plague and then infected rats that
they released into Chinese villages. Over 11 million Chinese were killed by the
Japanese Imperial army. Secondly, the bombs saved Japanese lives by forcing the
Emperor to give an order to all Japanese to stand down. Before the bombing,
every man woman and child in Japan were preparing to fight to the death with
guerrilla warfare. They believed that the United States would not endure the
massive casualties that would ensue and would agree to favorable surrender
terms. Also, if the war was prolonged, it is estimated that 10 MILLION Japanese
would have starved to death. Hundreds of thousands would have been killed by
conventional bombing raids. The United States strategic planners knew they
needed an economically strong Japan after the war in order to stabilize the
region and prevent the spread of Soviet influence. The war needed to be ended
quickly before Japan was completely destroyed and the bombs provided that
opportunity.
Even if you are correct, and the United States is a self serving imperialist
meddler in other countries affairs, the US is a saint compared to Germany,
Russia, and Japan. Millions upon millions of people were killed by these
regimes. The economic cost to mankind is of course incomprehensible. But people
have short memories, and the world seems to view these countries in a brighter
light than the Unites States.
95205, you are a scholar. As eloquently as you've explained this small slice of
world events of the last century, I'm afraid it will fall on deaf ears in this
thread. Guess I'm not the only one who watches the History Channel, eh?
History channel proraganda doesn't cut it! What about the other 30 countries
the US has attacked since WW2? I live here, I pay my taxes enven though I
despise how the money is spent, and according to theory of AmeriKKKan
dumbocracy, I have a "right" to express my opinion regardless of how
distasteful it is to you. Now, I've heard your "love it or leave it"
bullshit since I was a kid, and guess what, stick that right up your fucking ass
and rotate. I'm not going anywhere and I WILL continue to speak out against
this aggressive, war-mongering military dictatorship whether you like it or not.
Pass a law to put me in jail if you can't tolerate my view. Shithead.
Yes, if the Japanese and the Germans had nuclear weapons they most certainly
would have used them. So you think the US is not better than the Japanese and
Germans during WW2, right? Well, there are countries that have nuclear weapons
and are going to use them against US, and the rest of the world is going to say,
"well, what can you expect, the US used them first." So there's going
to be no defense. Let's see how your explanation of "the unique
environment that existed in WW2" plays out when we get a taste of our own
genocide.
So you have been a left wing contrarian freak since you were a kid huh? I bet
nobody liked you. Anyway, how is the History Channel propaganda? Do you know
what propaganda means? So you think the History Channel is in a conspiracy with
the US government to forward a secret imperialist facist agenda?
Haaaaaaahahahah!!! I am assuming that you think all the western media are
distributing lies to keep our society in line. So I am curious, where do you get
your facts from?
Please list the 30 countries that the United States has attacked. I will then
ask you how the attack was an example of unjustified aggression. Please refer to
actual historically accepted facts (the kind the History Channel uses for
example). Of course the United States has never been afraid to take action when
that action is justified. For example, Kosovo when the Serbians were
slaughtering thousands of local muslim men women and children in death
camps.
Or Somalia where Somali warlords were confiscating food aid to gain power over
the starving people. Or how about Korea when the North Koreans decided that they
wanted to have control over South Korea. I know South Koreans and I can assure
you they did not want to be invaded by the North and are VERY grateful for
American intervention. Or how about the brutal Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. I can
assure you the Kuwaitis are very grateful the United States led an effort to
remove Saddams's pillaging raping armies. And actually most Iraqis (Shiites and
Kurds who make up majority of Iraq)are grateful for the defeat and removal of
the elitist Baathist regime. Only the Sunni's, who lost their priviledged
postions and status are unhappy.
Have you ever heard the news from outside of this "great" land of
ours? You know, varying points of view on the days events. AmeriKKKan public
opinion is formed basically by watching the same news broadcast on all channels
and swallowing the "facts" as presented. In other free nations,
people hear various viewpoints, discuss without calling one another names (like
"left-wing" which isn't a derogatory connotation in other countries),
and then they form opinions based on thought processes. AmeriKKKans just eat
their garbage and shit it out. I'm quite sure that you are one of those who in
other circumstances deride the US media for it's slanted and narrow presentation
of "facts." Can't have it both ways. Believe what you need to
believe about me to justify your position- nobody likes me; I'm a contrarian, a
curmudgeon, whatever suits you. Yes, I've always resisted the red, white, and
blue military dictatorship. When we stop attacking country after country that
refuse to build McDonalds on every corner, I'll learn to live in peace in this
land. Incidentially, my views are a little more complicated than you make them
out to be; I describe myself as a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.
More of a libertarian than anything. SO know you know and can stop wasting your
time guessing and accusing.
Hmmmmm, what is propaganda? Propaganda is the presentation of
"facts" to support a view without regard to truth, ie. to begin with a
view and then "prove" it with "facts". "Facts"
(sic) disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause.
A faction of people supported our intervention in each of those instances, but
to speak in generalities and to say that "the Koreans" were grateful,
the "Iraqis" were grateful is a lie. The majority of Vietnamese were
NOT grateful to the US at the end of that debacle. Keep presenting "your
facts" as truths and I will accuse you of spreading propaganda.
US aggression breeds terror: UN chief
By Caroline Overington, Herald Correspondent in New York and Maggie Farley
September 24, 2003
I am not alone in my views. As a matter of fact they are widely held. That
these views are extremist is your lie. You choose to believe that lie, and you
propagate it.
Just how do you know most South Koreans were not grateful for US intervention
during the North Korean invasion? Where are you getting your facts? I got mine
from a respected University and my extensive contact with South Koreans through
my work. It is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that the South did not want the North's
communist ideology imposed on them. I am arguing with MORONS!!!! and yes I am
wondering why I feel compelled to keep coming back to this ridiculous debate
with intransigent left wing idiots that view the world through their pink
coloured biased glasses. You refuse to believe facts that don't fit your agenda.
You make up facts to support your beliefs. In no way are you objective and allow
the facts to form your opinions. You basically represent how irrational and
unreasonable human nature can be.
Oh no please don't accuse me of spreading propaganda please nooooo!!!!
121121, learn what? I know enough about world history and events to keep you
boys occupied for a month. I'm just agreeing with a fellow poster who took time
to explain what I don't need to.
Well that really is the opinion of ONE man isn't it? Opinion, not fact. And he
is talking about aggression towards terrorist groups and countries that harbour
and assist them, not the general aggression you are talking about. He is
advocating the negotiation with terrorists rather than confronting them
militarily. He BELIEVES violence will breed more violence. He is not necessarily
correct. It is entirely possible that muslim extremists will take whatever
concessions they get and simply demand more and more until they perceive the
west as no longer being a corrupting influence on their strictly controlled
Islamic vision of society. This is IMPOSSIBLE. It is a natural progression of
humanity to achieve individual freedom to do whatever each individual desires as
long as this does not infringe on the rights of others. Islamic fundamentalists
do not accept this progression and want severe restrictions on individual
freedom, using death, fear, and violence to enforce their views over others.
Recent news regarding Annan: In a devastating assessment of the U.N.
oil-for-food program in Iraq, investigators strongly criticized
Secretary-General Kofi Annan, his deputy and the Security Council for allowing
Saddam Hussein to bilk $10.2 billion as a result of the giant humanitarian
operation.
Guys,the only way the America haters will be happy is if we lose.Ellen Ratner
left wing journalist got right on tv and said she hoped the war went bad so
Kerry would win the election.Seems to be a little fucked up if you ask me.
• The essence of being a liberal: “The absolute conviction that there is
one set of rules for you, and another, completely different set of rules for
everyone else.”
90130, convinced you know enough about world history and events to keep us boys
occupied for a month, yet incapable of holding a coherent conversation. Inane
babble gains you nothing. Try to avoid it.
Does any sane person believe that shit, if we just leave them alone, they will
leave us alone. What was that guys name Nevil Chamberland England 1941
"Hitler can be worked with. We have achieved "Peace in our time"
Go stick your head up your ass or in the sand. GWB kill them all, until there
is no more to rape women and cut off head of the innocent.
Nevil Chamberlain believed that if we allowed the Nazis to occupy the smaller
countries of eastern Europe, that would appease them and they would never invade
England. Has nothing to do with the United States' unilateral aggression
against innocent countries. Moron! WE STARTED IT! We are not the innocent and
injured party. WE ARE THE NAZIS in your argument. Get it?????
On September 7, 2005, 6:50 pm Anonymous@90130 said : The essence of being a
liberal: “The absolute conviction that there is one set of rules for you, and
another, completely different set of rules for everyone else.” Yes, inane
babble, although perhaps babble is in ear of the beholder. I think you're a
moron, albeit a moron with an excellent fascist education who can interpret
revisionist history like none other. TootleS!
Wonderful thing, this internet. Where else you can take broad swipes at anyone
who disagrees with you and name call without fear of getting your ass
kicked?
If you met me in person, in a line at a movie theater or sat next to me in a
cafe, your loose and grossly inaccurate perceptions of who I am would be
completely different. Besides, there's very little that can be accomplished
arguing with each other in this forum. Everything's in motion around us, and
there's not much you or I can do to change any of it.
It's a moot point, dipshits. Oh and 3778, it's really cute how you cleverly
incorporated "KKK" into "American." Somehow you're implying
that every American shares the beliefs and ideals of the organization which
advocates white supremecy, anti-semitism, anti-catholicism, and nativism.
Please explain further.
Actually no. The connotation AmeriKKKan implies that the government of this
country is a military dicatorship, ie. on the far right. Isn't that clever? Of
course, if the shoe fits you, wear it, boy.
90130, yes the internet is a wonderful place where bombastic baffons like
yourself can threaten others with violence and never face the consequences. In
a movie line you'd have to watch your mouth or be charged with threatening and
assultive behavior. I know, isn't awlful that we live in such a litigous
society. You probably like the "old" way better, where the person you
threatened could pull and gun and blow your empty head off. It's best not to
make statements you can't back up. You seems to have a problem with that. Try
to do better.
"The essence of being a liberal: “The absolute conviction that there is
one set of rules for you, and another, completely different set of rules for
everyone else.”"
I thought that was the definition of a chauvanistic American.
Oh yeah, get spellcheck on your desktop while you're at
it..."baffons" correct spelling would be "Buffoons"...this
site runneth over with the likes of you.
Hmmmm. Perhaps being a product of the AmeriKKKan educational systems hasn't
served me well. Maybe I take personal responsibility for not speeling well.
Maybe I just enjoy your efforts to correct me too much to run spell check. Yes,
you are fully vindicated in your mind, now rather than trying to fuck me, why
don't you just fuck yourself. You seem to be the only person you can tolerate.
Well, Mr. KKKK...ah, what the fuck. Look, If you're nice to everyone on this
and other threads where you've spouted off your foaming vitriol, I'll pitch in
and buy you a new keyboard like I suggested in another thread, since yours gets
stuck on the letter "K" and the caps button's fucked up. If you need
help with the spelling, pronunciation, and meaning of the word
"vitriol"
here's assistance:
Asshole or arsehole (outside the U.S.) is a term referring to the anus. It is
generally used as a profanity in expressing deep contempt for someone or to
describe a particularly abrasive person.
This word is found in colloquial speech in a number of cultures (in both English
and in direct translation to other languages). This is due to the fact that it
describes an organ of elimination that is considered a taboo region (belonging
to the intimate parts) of the body in many societies.
