quasi Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 10:21AM
And y'all thought G. W. was bad, say hello to the change to the leftist,
political correctness fascism that's gonna have the government managing every
facet of your life.
zxz555 Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 10:34AM
haha, you lost mofo!
Lalala Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 10:44AM
poster = idiot
jgoins Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 11:28AM
Now all we have to do is see how long he lives. The next 4 years will be very
rough and all those who voted for him will get what they deserve. I hope you
enjoy the hardships.
zx12r Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 11:35AM
Try a full sentence, Idiot. It will take some time to show who the real idiot
is, but I have plenty of time. He will be raising taxes on 200k and up tax
payers, and wants to make illegals legal. The group he's targeting is the group
that keeps money flowing by creating jobs. Watch for unemployment to skyrocket
under this administration. You'll be getting tax rebates under that income level
but look for gas taxes and such things to take that back. Small businesses will
let go of employees to escape insurance and tax issues and move to
subcontractors(illegals/legals soon) who have less overhead. The rift between
rich and poor just got larger we just have to standby and wait. Too bad they
don't tax homosexuality, Hollywood could help fix their fuck up. I hope and pray
I'm wrong but I think we just jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire.
I'll just keep watching Rev. Wright dry hump on stage in front of his
congregation and it makes me laugh.
zxz555 Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 11:53AM
zx12r and the rest of the those who can't deal with reality:
the world is changing, change with it or fall behind. The world that Bush
had to deal with when he became president is not the same world of today, move
with the times.
and try to
positive for a change, you all sound so down
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 12:47PM
Z, it's hard to be positive about a system of change Obama has stated to make
that all is counter to actually improving anything for anyone except those who
are already illegal interlopers within our borders, people already on welfare
and all the others standing with their fuckin hands stuck out awaiting the next
freebie handout his administration will likely devise, all at a cost to the
average citizen here.
Like mentioned above there's a whole bevy of new taxes that have already been
promised by his administration that will override the tax cuts he plans to make
(remember a previous conversation I had on this recently, the Federal Income Tax
is HARDLY the whole tax picture!).
He wants to stop offshore drilling so other international groups will then just
move into our offshore waters and begin drilling into the oil reserves there and
ultimately wind up selling us the oil we should be drilling ourselves. Then,
we'll be left with the on-shore clean-up expenses resultant from their
unsupervised drilling practices since these folks won't be kept in check by our
laws and regulations in this regard .... sweet little benefit of not drilling
for it ourselves eh?
Look for a sense of empowerment by illegals as they are handed citizenship
rights they don't deserve, then will further drain our social programs coffers
by accessing the benefit programs they will then be allowed entitlements to,
eventhough they will not have paid ANYTHING into the system, which will then
require MORE taxes to refill the already depleted reserves.
Look for further governmental expenses to be incurred as all public school
classes, Federal douments and all signage will be required to be taught and/or
translated into Spanish also, which is basically another form of discrimination
against the German, Italian, Russian, Chinese, Japanese and all the other
immigrants of the various nationalities here, but hey, let's just fuckin do
everything we can to appease the clamoring hoards of Illegals from Mexico so
they can be sure to drain every fuckin cent they can from our already
floundering economy. Oh yeah, that's just a GREAT idea!!!!!!!
This administration will likely empower a lot of minorities to do what will
amount to (racial) discrimination against whites, but since this will be taking
place against whites, it will not be viewed nor prosecuted in the same way as it
would if such occurances were to happen in a white-on-minority situation, which
of course is STILL discrimantion, as I've mentioned previously as well.
There are already many instances here of minority-against-white acts of violence
or crime that are all too obviously racially motivated, but will never be
prosecuted as hate crimes although the exact same crimes taking place by
whites-against-minorities are viewed as hate crimes and prosecuted Federally in
this manner. The whole concept of "hate crimes" itself is totally
disciminatory in nature, but in the totally rediculous realm of "political
correctness" foisted upon our society today they are viewed as positive
steps. Interesting when moves of discrimination can be turned around and viewed
in New Speak terms as positive change
Oh yeah, it all looks rosy and peachy from over here! And .... you can just bet
we'll all be dancin in the streets about this shit for at LEAST the next 4 yrs,
most especially since many of us won't have houses to dance in anymore, it will
be the only place left for us to do so
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zx12r Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 03:29PM
"and try to positive for a change, you all sound so down"
Ah yeah. Fuck beliefs and convictions. I'll just jump right on the bandwagon and
pretend I like what happened. That will make it all better. The proof that I'm
wrong is what I'm waiting for. I will gladly accept it if I am. Shit, I hope I'm
wrong, this is my country.
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 04:26PM
zx12r
unfortunatley man,were doomed
90130_ Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 04:47PM
No longer a government that represents me thanks to the votes of a bunch of
deluded idiots swayed by his flowery speeches and empty promises. If you think
the last four years were rough, just wait.
I promise you that I'll work extra hard to hide my assets and protect myself and
my family. I'll hide my guns too.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 04:59PM
Just don't hide the weapons where they're too hard to get to
zxz555 Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 05:08PM
roflmao
talldarkandold57 Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 05:14PM
Wasn't Bill Clinton called the first "Black President"?
So that said, this makes Obama the 2nd black president (lower cases on
purpose).
Also Obama is the first non U.S. born citizen (which is un-constitutional) to
become president.
The first president-elect to have never done anything to make it to the highest
office in the country.(if you disagree, what is his record?) Obama won't release
medical records, college transcripts, etc. Any other candidate would be hounded
on that by the media. But not Obama. I wonder about the medical records,
especially.Did he ever use IV drugs? Has he ever had treatment for addiction,
including methadone maintenance?
He will be the first black president to be assassinated, and the first to be
assassinated before being sworn in.
The first non-Christian president-elect.
The first Marxist/Communist Socialist to be elected.
First president-elect to have friends who bombed the pentagon.
Folks stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass good-bye!
madmex2000 Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 08:44PM
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HAHA FUCKIN CRYBABYS
90130_ Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 09:07PM
If this comes down to an armed conflict, then bring it on.
Monster1 Report This Comment Date: November 05, 2008 09:09PM
Hey Fagmex2000,
guess you'll be getting out of your TeePee soon and going to the Welfare office
for your (Mentally Disabled) check preety soon now! ...
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 01:08AM
there is no way to know what tree Obama will jump out of, but one thing is
certain, the white supremecists won't need to kill him, he will hang himself.
and no silver tongued speech will save him from reality. too many illogical and
impossible promises have been made.
but hey, i will give him a chance....for a month maybe.
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fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 01:34AM
one thing i think will be fun to watch is:
the government bought out banks and housing right? so what is going to be the
new "standards" as to which people get preference over who in terms of
credit, housing loans, etc.?
i think predatory lending will be raised to a new all time high. and who will be
the targets? i'm betting the minorities are the "new world order"
targets. whatcha wanna bet?
oh i forgot.......
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
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fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 01:58AM
i am going to say this in advance of this post: i did not write this nor do i
agree or disagree with it, so if you blame me for it's content i will say in
advance....GO FUCK YOURSELF!!
Has The Treatment of Bush Been a Disgrace?
Earlier this year, 12,000 people in San Francisco signed a petition in support
of a proposition on a local ballot to rename an Oceanside sewage plant after
George W. Bush. The proposition is only one example of the classless disrespect
many Americans have shown the president.
[Commentary]AP
According to recent Gallup polls, the president's average approval rating is
below 30% -- down from his 90% approval in the wake of 9/11. Mr. Bush has
endured relentless attacks from the left while facing abandonment from the
right.
This is the price Mr. Bush is paying for trying to work with both Democrats and
Republicans. During his 2004 victory speech, the president reached out to voters
who supported his opponent, John Kerry, and said, "Today, I want to speak
to every person who voted for my opponent. To make this nation stronger and
better, I will need your support, and I will work to earn it. I will do all I
can do to deserve your trust." Those bipartisan efforts have been met with
crushing resistance from both political parties. The president's original
Supreme Court choice of Harriet Miers alarmed Republicans, while his final
nomination of Samuel Alito angered Democrats. His solutions to reform the
immigration system alienated traditional conservatives, while his refusal to
retreat in Iraq has enraged liberals who have unrealistic expectations about the
challenges we face there. It seems that no matter what Mr. Bush does, he is
blamed for everything. He remains despised by the left while continuously
disappointing the right. Yet it should seem obvious that many of our country's
current problems either existed long before Mr. Bush ever came to office, or are
beyond his control. Perhaps if Americans stopped being so divisive, and
congressional leaders came together to work with the president on some of these
problems, he would actually have had a fighting chance of solving them. Like the
president said in his 2004 victory speech, "We have one country, one
Constitution and one future that binds us. And when we come together and work
together, there is no limit to the greatness of America." To be sure, Mr.
Bush is not completely alone. His low approval ratings put him in the good
company of former Democratic President Harry S. Truman, whose own approval
rating sank to 22% shortly before he left office. Despite Mr. Truman's low
numbers, a 2005 Wall Street Journal poll found that he was ranked the seventh
most popular president in history. Just as Americans have gained perspective on
how challenging Truman's presidency was in the wake of World War II, our country
will recognize the hardship President Bush faced these past eight years -- and
how extraordinary it was that he accomplished what he did in the wake of the
September 11 attacks. The treatment President Bush has received from this
country is nothing less than a disgrace. The attacks launched against him have
been cruel and slanderous, proving to the world what little character and
resolve we have. The president is not to blame for all these problems. He never
lost faith in America or her people, and has tried his hardest to continue
leading our nation during a very difficult time.
Our failure to stand by the one person who continued to stand by us has not gone
unnoticed by our enemies. It has shown to the world how disloyal we can be when
our president needed loyalty -- a shameful display of arrogance and weakness
that will haunt this nation long after Mr. Bush has left the White House. Mr.
Shapiro is an investigative reporter and lawyer who previously interned with
John F. Kerry's legal team during the presidential election in 2004
ToucanSam Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 02:59AM
From downtown ! (Swish) OBAMA FOR THE WIN !!! YES !
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 03:13AM
that was the sound of the market dropping like a rock. largest drop the day
after an election ever. doesn't that say something to you?. more like a
"flush" sam.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 03:59AM
a 3rd opinion
more from Reuters
even msnbcrap says
it
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fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 04:08AM
any other liberals want to shove their foot down their throats?
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 04:15AM
WWWWAAAAAAAAAAA ITS OBAMAS FAULT!!!
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 04:22AM
you cant argue with fact junior
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 04:45AM
they see me rollin...
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ToucanSam Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 05:57AM
So... the stock market was tip top the day before the election...
pulse Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 06:20AM
I like all the stuff in America about the "illegals" and border
jumpers, wetbacks, etc etc.
Whatever happened to "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses
yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these,
the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me"
zxz555 Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 10:09AM
^ ^ ^ a big Atheist
AMEN to that!
quasi Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 10:44AM
Immigration is no problem, it's the illegal part that's the problem. Every
nation has laws that the citizens are expected tolive by, and the majority of
people do, but these folks are breaking the law the moment they get here. They
are not legal citizens and need to take steps to become so or go home. We all
understand the desire (and for many of these people it's a true need) to have a
better life, and the U.S. has been pretty generous about that for years, but
we're being over run by the people we were trying to help and now they're
behaving as if we owe them something when in reality we don't owe them anything.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 11:29AM
Exactamundo q-man!
Look at in the context it really presents itself in here pulse and then ask
yourself if it sounds like a good idea.
The numbers vary wildly about how many illegals we currently have occupying our
country but an average figure would easily be 10 million, which could in reality
be as high as 20 million.
Now then, wikipedia gives the population of Aussieland at 20,743,300 (26 January
2007 - ABS), so just image an illegal population within our borders close to if
not equal to the entire population of your country. If you put it into
pespective percentage wise compared to your countrys population that would mean
roughly 3 million illegals within your borders if this were occuring there.
Look at it this way and tell me your country wouldn't feel an impact by that
type of illegal population, especially when they can come here and in no time
begin sucking off the welfare systems teat without ever even having put in a
fucking dime into the same system and ask yourself again about how accepting
you'd be of these teeming hoards.
Then take into account that because of this influx of illegals, the damned
politically correct idiots within our government decide we need to hire
bilingual teachers (and pay them more of course) so we can educate their
children, and the expenses just mount ever and ever higher as more and more
rights and benefits are meted out to these people who have evaded the same
immigration processes all legal immigrants here are expected to undertake.
Livin as I do in Texas, I have watched for years as the population of illegals
here have swelled from a trickle to a torrent. I've watched as many professions
have been taken over by Mescans who live 10+ to a house, pay no taxes and then
send home huge sums of money made here, all basically at the expense of
tradesmen and the American public.
Accept them, sure, all we really ask is that they take the same path to
citizenship everyone else who emigrates here is expected to do, no more, and no
less
zxz555 Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 02:25PM
MrKim, bring your boys back from Iraq and Afghanistan and have them patrol US
borders. Stop demonizing the people who are trying to make a living (that
Americans are illegally employing) and get your govt. (like who was that guy who
let this mess get out of hand? You know, the one who was in the white house the
last 8 years, waahhhh, etc.) to do something.
One reason shy there are sp many is because you have not integrated them from
before, give them legitimate jobs, and when you buy American, you will not be
sending a %age of the cost back to Mexico. Makes sense surely? Pressure the
factories and farms to stop using them so that you can get cheap food and
products. You are attacking the wrong people by attacking the workers.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 04:27PM
you want us to integrate illegal aliens? why? does the concept
"illegal" evade you? the legal immigrants have every opportunity to
have good jobs, most have a better chance to have good jobs because of the
inevitable downfall of the U.S.....political correctness.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 05:40PM
search up sometime the cost of health care alone from illegal aliens all picked
up by the hospitals in the US. and then consider the incredible cost of health
care for the legal citizens of the US. then tell me why i should pay more for
insurance and doctor visits to offset these unnecessary loses. or for that
matter, look up the the cost of education for illegal immigrant children. we
don't want freeloaders, we want people to contribute to every aspect of the
government and programs just like everyone else does. it's not fair to put their
burdens on my head or anyone else. nothing is free. come here legally, get a
job, pay taxes, pay into social security and enjoy your freedom, and do it quick
before the gates are slammed shut in your faces. every illegal already here can
still be a legal citizen and contribute, but as far as
givingthem
anything free from now on......the tit is drying up for everyone, and Americans
are sick and tired off carrying them on their backs.
zx12r Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 07:04PM
fossil
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 07:48PM
as for Obama, he is getting his slap in the face reality check today with his
first ever presidential intelligence briefings. soon he will flip flop on many
of his bullshit campaign promises just as i have predicted.
zxz555 Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 08:34PM
fossil, i don't think you are even reading posts before you reply to them, I did
not say give give give to illegals, I said legitimise them, ie integrate them
and then they will pay taxes like you and thus pay for the services they use.
They have been living in your country for a long time, some of them for years,
and they are not going anywhere fast. Extradite them, and they come back.
Extradite them again, their brothers come instead. I said to legitimise the
ones you have so that when you buy American,
it is American and no
portion of the wages paid to pick it or assemble it go back to Mexico. And pull
your GIs back from the Middle East to patrol your borders.
If you want to keep this going for another two days fine, I am off work at the
moment and have fuck all else to do than bore you with my opinions, but at least
take time to read posts before reacting. If you stop to think about my comments
you will soon realise I am right about everything.
pulse Report This Comment Date: November 06, 2008 09:08PM
MrKim: a rational argument. However, Australia does have very similar issues.
Our immigration rate is significantly higher than our birth rate. My girlfriend
is a primary school teacher. Of the 22 in her class, only 2 were born in
Australia. Three quarters come from a non-English speaking background, and by
the age of 7 rarely match the lingual skills of a kindergarten pupil.
The only difference between what you're saying and what we're seeing, is we
pretty much just give them all residency, and then citizenship. We don't have
that big an 'illegal' problem, because it's easier just to make them all
legal.
Take for example the skilled worker visa. We'll give one to, say, an Indian
student. That visa allows them, and their family to come to Australia. And when
I say family, I don't just mean wife and kids. I mean mother, father, siblings,
grand parents, aunts and uncles. All legal from the moment they arrive.
The main difference is we don't have a huge sign on the door saying "come
in"
You guys do..
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: November 07, 2008 01:21AM
sorry z, but you are very very wrong.
example: making them all legal would be impossible. a large number of them are
criminal types, or they just don't trust the govt. not that i do. not to mention
that there are a helluva lot more here than any census could prove. also even if
we were to
give then citizenship, it would only show to the rest that
they don't need to go through the legal processes in place at all. just show up.
th system is not fool proof by any means though.
people like me believe that if they were to be legalized that they need to pay
back taxes, which is also impossible to regulate or legitimize. some immigrants
go through to process to become citizens, but to unload 20 million plus on our
already overloaded community system would be a fiasco from hell.
if we give them citizenship, they will lose almost all of their free
entitlements from which they could never recover from financially. kinda like a
student slave loan. basic economics here, nothing new.
i say let them apply for citizenship just like all the other immigrants and quit
sucking all the freebies, there isn't any money there. yeah it's a pain in the
ass to go through this process, but it faaaaaar outweighs their obvious other
choices.
i hope this makes sense to you, because i don't feel the need to give you an
American economics lesson
madmex2000 Report This Comment Date: November 07, 2008 03:44AM
A large number of them are criminal types, nice sterotype. Got any proof or
maybe a nice Fox Report PIE CHART
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: November 07, 2008 04:19AM
Since you asked madnez, got any proof to counter what's been said or is this
just another one of your verbal diarrhea quips like usual.
If you can't disprove the point then truly what is YOUR point? If you seem to
have lost it, just reach up to the top of your head.
I suppose that close to 1/3 of the criminal population currently in our prison
systems would qualify, or perhaps you can find some nifty way to disprove
that.
Ball's in your
mouth court
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: November 07, 2008 05:26AM
a large number doesn't mean the majority, it is just as stated....a large
number. if i were to stereotype, it would be something like....wetback gang
member shit heads are worthless. but i would never say that.
zxz555 Report This Comment Date: November 07, 2008 08:38AM
fossil, i see that just giving 10 million or more people citizenship would not
work, there would have to criteria to meet and a framework in place to filter
out the real criminals from the rest. it would also have to done in a way that
did not attract people to the country knowing there was a big citizenship
freebee coming up. It is doable especially if you are looking at doing it just
once and then spending 5 years with very tight controls afterwards. It would
after a very short time make it harder for the remaining illegals to hide
because there would no longer be a large community to absorb them, and they
would find it harder to get work as companies are fined to the point of
bankruptcy for using them or that the culture among employers for using them no
longer exists.
Like I said, you would have to control you borders with troops. This would also
make smuggling harder, and if fishermen or yachters complain about stringent
controls, well
pffff to them. I am thinking that you (as a country) need
to get control before progress can be made.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: November 07, 2008 11:17AM
Placing troops on the border is a good idea but that has been proposed before
and congress would not go for it. Congress will never do anything to stem the
flow of illegals into our country. Now that Obama has been elected congress
will never pass any law which will have any effect on illegal entry into the
country. Everything which has been mentioned above would have to be approved by
congress and they will never go there.
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment Date: November 07, 2008 02:31PM
Also obama and his harem are planning to whack political radio,what happened to
free speech?
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: November 07, 2008 03:13PM
Z, a move very similar to what you mentioned was already undertaken in the 90s
when all illegals (estimated 5 million at that point) were offered a complete
amnesty if they would just register and begin the naturalization process, but
the offer was largely ignored because it meant giving up their tax free status
and of course, distrust on their about what else might happen if they were to
admit to having been here illegally.
One problem we in the US have is that too many people want to emigrate here and
there's already a yearly quota in place to attempt to keep that number at a
manageable figure relevent to the jobs available, social services funding
structures, ecological impact, etc.. Unforunately, even this quota figure itself
has been added to and extended to the point where the impact of even just the
legal immigration will become insupportable in less than 10 yrs, and this
doesn't even take into account the illegal population already here, much less
the ones streaming across the borders daily, so the whole issue is extremely
problematic once all facets of it are taken into account.
Here's a link to a really logical and reasonable discussion on this topic that
shows some of the impacts mentioned above and is well worth the time invested in
watching it if for those interested in learning about it [
www.numbersusa.com]
I've mentioned several times in the past that militarily guarded borders are a
key part of the solution to stop the rampant incursion by illegals, but as
mentioned above, congress has typically refused to support such moves, even when
a large portion of the legal population supports such an idea.
With the Democratic party now having a controlling number of members in the
House and Senate, coupled with a pres. elect already having stated amnesty for
the illegals is in his agenda and being sympathetic to these people who are
rampantly robbing the US of its many jobs and resources, it's not going to get
better, and will most likely only get worse.
Lastly, to pulse : a quote written on a statue or a speech from a time long ago
neither one impact our laws regarding immigration, which have definitive
parameters and expectations for all who choose to come here. In no way were
these statements ever intended to mean: break our laws by illegally breaching
our borders, then demand prefferential treatment and thwart the accepted
immigration laws and procedures expected by those who emigrate here by legal
means
