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yourbaldheadedgranny Report This Comment
Date: August 07, 2005 09:15AM

Actually the Laden and Bush families go way back together.

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CivilLibertiesDude Report This Comment
Date: August 07, 2005 09:17AM

Bin Laden Family Is Tied To U.S. Group

By Wall Street Journal staff reporters Daniel Golden and James Bandler in Boston, and Marcus Walker in Hamburg, Germany

09/27/2001
The Wall Street Journal
Page A3
(Copyright (c) 2001, Dow Jones & Company, Inc.)

If the U.S. boosts defense spending in its quest to stop Osama bin Laden 's alleged terrorist activities, there may be one unexpected beneficiary: Mr. bin Laden 's family.

Among its far-flung business interests, the well-heeled Saudi Arabian clan -- which says it is estranged from Osama -- is an investor in a fund established by Carlyle Group, a well-connected Washington merchant bank specializing in buyouts of defense and aerospace companies.

Through this investment and its ties to Saudi royalty, the bin Laden family has become acquainted with some of the biggest names in the Republican Party. In recent years, former President Bush , ex-Secretary of State James Baker and ex-Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci have made the pilgrimage to the bin Laden family's headquarters in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Mr. Bush makes speeches on behalf of Carlyle Group and is senior adviser to its Asian Partners fund, while Mr. Baker is its senior counselor. Mr. Carlucci is the group's chairman.

Osama is one of more than 50 children of Mohammed bin Laden , who built the family's $5 billion business, Saudi Binladin Group, largely with construction contracts from the Saudi government. Osama worked briefly in the business and is believed to have inherited as much as $50 million from his father in cash and stock, although he doesn't have access to the shares, a family spokesman says. Because his Saudi citizenship was revoked in 1994, Mr. bin Laden is ineligible to own assets in the kingdom, the spokesman added.

The bin Laden family has long disavowed Osama, and has cooperated fully with several federal investigations into his activities. The family business, headed by Osama's half-brother Bakr, epitomizes the U.S.-Saudi alliance that the suspected terrorist often rails against. After the 1996 truck bombing in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, that killed 19 U.S. servicemen, Saudi Binladin Group built military barracks and airfields for U.S. troops.

But the Federal Bureau of Investigation has issued subpoenas to banks used by the bin Laden family seeking records of family dealings, a person familiar with the matter said. This person said the subpoenas weren't an indication the FBI had found any suspicious behavior by the family. A family spokesman said he had no knowledge of the subpoenas but that the family welcomes them and has nothing to hide.

People familiar with the family's finances say the bin Ladens do much of their banking with National Commercial Bank in Saudi Arabia and with the London branch of Deutsche Bank AG. They also use Citigroup Inc. and ABN Amro, the people said.

"If there were ever any company closely connected to the U.S. and its presence in Saudi Arabia, it's the Saudi Binladin Group," says Charles Freeman, president of the Middle East Policy Council, a Washington nonprofit concern that receives tens of thousands of dollars a year from the bin Laden family. "They're the establishment that Osama's trying to overthrow."

Mr. Freeman, who served as U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, says he has spoken to two of Osama's brothers since hijacked airplanes rammed the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11. They told him, he says, that the FBI has been "remarkably sensitive, tactful and protective" of the family during the current crisis, recognizing its longstanding friendship with the U.S.

A Carlyle executive said the bin Laden family committed $2 million through a London investment arm in 1995 in Carlyle Partners II Fund, which raised $1.3 billion overall. The fund has purchased several aerospace companies among 29 deals. So far, the family has received $1.3 million back in completed investments and should ultimately realize a 40% annualized rate of return, the Carlyle executive said.

But a foreign financier with ties to the bin Laden family says the family's overall investment with Carlyle is considerably larger. He called the $2 million merely an initial contribution. "It's like plowing a field," this person said. "You seed it once. You plow it, and then you reseed it again."

The Carlyle executive added that he would think twice before accepting any future investments by the bin Ladens. "The situation's changed now," he said. "I don't want to spend my life talking to reporters."

A U.S. inquiry into bin Laden family business dealings could brush against some big names associated with the U.S. government. Former President Bush said through his chief of staff, Jean Becker, that he recalled only one meeting with the bin Laden family, which took place in November 1998. Ms. Becker confirmed that there was a second meeting in January 2000, after being read the ex-president's subsequent thank-you note. "President Bush does not have a relationship with the bin Laden family," says Ms. Becker. "He's met them twice."

Mr. Baker visited the bin Laden family in both 1998 and 1999, according to people close to the family. In the second trip, he traveled on a family plane. Mr. Baker declined comment, as did Mr. Carlucci, a past chairman of Nortel Networks Corp., which has partnered with Saudi Binladin Group on telecommunications ventures.

Former President Carter met with 10 of Osama's brothers early in 2000 on a fund-raising trip for the Carter Center in Atlanta. According to John Hardman, executive director of the center, the brothers told Mr. Carter that Osama was completely removed from the family. After Mr. Carter and his wife followed up with breakfast with Bakr bin Laden in New York in September 2000, the bin Laden family gave $200,000 to the center. "We don't have any reason to think there's a connection" between Osama and the rest of the family, Mr. Hardman says.

During the past several years, the family's close ties to the Saudi royal family prompted executives and staff from closely held New York publisher Forbes Inc. to make two trips to the family headquarters, according to Forbes Chairman Caspar Weinberger, a former U.S. secretary of defense in the Reagan administration. "We would call on them to get their view of the country and what would be of interest to investors."

Mr. Weinberger said no trips to Saudi Arabia were planned. "If we went," he said, "we may or may not call upon them. I don't think the sins of the son should be visited on the father or the brother and the cousins and the aunts."

There is no indication President George W. Bush has met any of the bin Ladens, but he was indirectly linked to one of them two decades ago. His longtime friend James W. Bath, who met Mr. Bush when they were both pilots in the Air National Guard, acted as a Texas business representative for Osama's older brother, Salem bin Laden , from 1976 to 1988, when Salem died in a plane crash. Mr. Bath brought real-estate acquisitions and other deals to Salem bin Laden , an ebullient man who headed the family construction business. Mr. Bath generally received a 5% interest as his fee, and was sometimes listed as a trustee in related corporate documents. Mr. Bath acknowledged that during the same period he invested $50,000 in two funds controlled by Mr. Bush but said that stake was unrelated to his dealings with Mr. bin Laden .

Among the properties that Salem bin Laden bought on Mr. Bath's recommendation was the Houston Gulf Airport, a lightly used airfield in League City, Texas, 25 miles east of Houston. But Mr. bin Laden 's hope that it would develop a major overflow airport for Houston never materialized, in part due to concern over wetlands. Ever since his death, his estate has sought to sell the airfield -- without success. Today, it is still on the market.

(See related letter: "Letters to the Editor: All in the Family" -- WSJ October 2, 2001)

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yourbaldheadedgranny Report This Comment
Date: August 07, 2005 09:18AM

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yourbaldheadedgranny Report This Comment
Date: August 07, 2005 09:23AM

last one was from
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Oh_my Report This Comment
Date: August 08, 2005 12:22AM

Anonymous@48151 I love the way Ditto-head fascists predent the truth is boring when they can not fight it. "It you can not despute it then distract from it... say its boring, crazy or attack something completely different to redirectg attention" Face it scumbags the US and the two party systems is in league with the house of Saudi and they are FASCISTS!
ToucanSam Report This Comment
Date: August 08, 2005 04:25AM

I've noticed that all of the "conservitaves" only have to say "bullshit" , "that's not how it is" "your a liar". If they ever knew the truth their world would crumble, their whole way of being, gone. So they only deney it, and make them selves belive that bull shit, so they can cope with life. This republican and democrat 2 party shit, ya'll are brain washed by Bush, and "the american way of life".
Your_Mother Report This Comment
Date: August 08, 2005 05:01AM

ToucanSam@2184 the thing is I am not sure if they (American Fascists) believe their own crap. I think they (the fascists) just want you and I and everyone to just accept this shit. Yes there is the dumb right-wing Christian follower who would believe anything, but your average fascist spitting out this shit I think they do not even really believe it. For example they will tell their blind followers "science bad" when it comes to the average American idiot, but then turn around and embrace science when it comes to making weapons of mass death. What it boils down to for the corporate elite is "we believe in science we just do not want you to!" And this goes that way for the elite of the Democrats too "We believe in universal healthcare for us and we will throw over priced medicines at the masses as a replacement for preventive medicine". I will say this over and over again "This Fascism!" This is the system my grandparents fought against during WWII whether they helped on the homefront or fought on the beaches of Normandy against the Nazis!
Ninepointfiver Report This Comment
Date: August 08, 2005 06:01AM

"CivilLibertiesDude" & "yourbaldheadedgranny"; I want to thank you for the longest, most boring post possible. No one will read it, you apparently love to hear yourself speak (or read your own bullshit if that's the matter!) We all have become dumber by even trying to read your waste!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous10101010101010101 Report This Comment
Date: August 08, 2005 06:22AM

Ninepointfiver@79212 actually those are from articles they found and reposted. I find them informative, DumbAss!
ToucanSam Report This Comment
Date: August 08, 2005 11:43PM

Please post "links" and comments, not entire articles. Thanks
CivilLibertiesDude Report This Comment
Date: August 09, 2005 07:00AM

ToucanSam it seems the only way to silence the fascists ... they do not read links and when it is in their demonic pig-like faces they are usually silenced.
ToucanSam Report This Comment
Date: August 09, 2005 02:31PM

again, I've noticed the "fascist" only deney the facts. Bush said we're going to pull troops from Iraq, but first I've got to increase them to decrease them. wtf You gotta be brainwashed or retarded to belive that shit.
duane Report This Comment
Date: August 10, 2005 01:49AM

Gotta give it time Tucking Yams.Rome was not built in a day and who knows maybe we will have a new satilite country soon with oil to boot!Hey civil liberty guy,did you know that the ACLU was started by a communist.
ToucanSam Report This Comment
Date: August 10, 2005 05:24PM

No doubt world domination is a thought. but guess what, I bet China will not stand for that american bull shit. China and Russia are a HUGE millitary force.
pnkie Report This Comment
Date: August 10, 2005 09:07PM

Jesus was a communist
AEoN Report This Comment
Date: August 19, 2005 11:47PM

On August 10, 2005, 12:24 pm ToucanSam@148106 said :
No doubt world domination is a thought. but guess what, I bet China will not stand for that american bull shit. China and Russia are a HUGE millitary force.


LMFAO! your posts really do show your incompetence. You obviously know nothing. Russia doesn't have shit. China could be taken out by india. China's navy is practically nonexistent, and their military is so archaic that its laughable. Numbers mean nothing in the face of devastating military technology.
duane Report This Comment
Date: August 22, 2005 10:47AM

They will only accept information that they wantAEon.Ive told him before that the chinesse were intercepted in messages between Generals talking about how taking on the united states in a conventional war they could not win and this is from the same country that "The Art of War" came from.Its a really good book,our military studies it too.