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Freedom is Untidy!

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aDCBeast Report This Comment
Date: August 27, 2005 10:39PM


The US is not delivering freedom to Iraq or Afghanistan. That is another lie of the Bush administration.
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: August 27, 2005 11:41PM

On what basis of fact do you make that statement? Have you talked to a lot of the women that are not wearing burkahs now and are not being raped by the el'deada Saddam brothers?
John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 12:21AM

Latest news: the newest draft Iraqi constitution says that nothing should contradict Islam, and that a number of judges (if not all) should be schooled in /sharia/ law.

"Specific parts of the draft constitution are under scrutiny, particularly the balance between democracy and Islam. Two provisions symbolize the issue: One says no law can contradict Islamic principles. The other says Iraq's supreme court will include a number of experts on sharia, or Islamic law."

[www.washingtonpost.com]

[www.thenewamerican.com]
John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 12:22AM

It's /UNTIDY!/
John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 12:25AM

Hmm.. /UNTIDY/ /!/ ?
John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 12:25AM

Ah! .. /UNTIDY/! dammit. Majority rule, it cuts both ways, boys.
John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 12:26AM

Oh crap: /UNTIDY/ !
John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 12:26AM

there.
aDCBeast Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 02:06AM

Anonymous@238240

Afghanistan is essentially the same as it was with the taliban as it is now with an American leader.

The US propaganda has really done its job on the american people about Saddam.

The Rape room stories are exagerations and much of Iraqi stability was myth and tales. In addition, much of the policing of Iraq was left to underlings that would keep shia and kurds in line. US administration accepted these practices so Saddam could stay in power.

Saddam did NOT gas the kurds. Stephen Pelletiere "A War Crime, or an Act of War?" The New York Times, January 31, 2003] The CIA and DIA both dismissed the claim that Saddam gassed the Kurds. they even went so far as to say Iran it was Iranian gas that killed the Kurds. Hence, no miiltary response from the Reagan adminstration and when the Senate PASSED the "Prevention of Genocide Act of 1988" the next day in response, Reagan vetoed this Act.

National Security advisor to Reagan, Colin Powell, urged Reagan not to have a military response to the gassing report. A Leading Republican Dick Cheney didn't push for a military response either.

The Kurds are still pissed off at the US for not intervening.

Kurdistan, northern Iraq, is where Al Qeada terrorists were hiding with Kurdish help.

You have to remember Saddam and the Kurds were not friends. The Kurds were hoping to convince Al Qeada to topple Saddam. Saddam was a US operative that stabilized the region.

Stability being defined as a secular leader that would cater to US policies versus neighboring countries.

The Kurds also dislike Presidents named Bush and the US. The US had no response to the gassing no matter if it was Iraqi or Iranian gas. The US sat back and did nothing.

The kurds were in an active war with turkey as late as 1998. They got kicked out of Iran by 1990.

If you think the Kurds are a harmless people you are sadly mistaken. They should be the enemy in Iraq and not Saddam Hussein.

How is that for some democracy. Do you think soldiers know what they are fighting for ? For civil war in the coming years ?

Sunni fighting Iranian lead shia. Shia and Sunni Iraqis fighting squater Kurds that harbor terrorists.

Do you think soldiers know this ? NAH ..
gruff Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 02:40AM

Hmm...anti-Kurd. You're showing your hand.
aDCBeast Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 03:48AM


gruff

Nothing wrong with disliking a gypsy group that harbors terrorists.
gruff Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 05:16AM

Yup. Just another racist.
aDCBeast Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 07:18AM


gruff

When did gypsy become a race of people ?

Gypsy

1 : a member of a traditionally itinerant people who originated in northern India and now live chiefly in south and southwest Asia, Europe, and No. America

People who roam from place to place. My statement said nothing of race.

If you are going to try to label people at least be in the ball park. Racist ? no. Better would have been classist. But that still would have been wrong.

Terrorists have been joining gypsy groups like the kurds and travelling with them because these gypsy groups know routes where you can travel unseen by policing agencies.

What do you think Usama used in Pakistan ?

Once again you avoid my message. You seem to be very good at missing anyone's point.

destructor Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 07:46AM

What non-americans need to realise is how right we are! Despotism is the greatest scourge on humanity and we are doing the billions of Iraqis who would have sufferred in the future as a result of despotism a big favour. Standing by and watching millions of Iraqis being executed by the state and die of infectious disease and starvation unnecesarily is worse than accidentally killing 200000 iraqis through collateral damage. Yes, it's a tough decision to make, but whining about how much you'd rather use the billions spent on the military to feed Africa and support the refugess fleeing here due to overpopulation isn't going to make the owrld a better place.

Muslims don't really care about civilian deaths, after all, they intentionally kill civilians, so this is for the muslisms. So what if Islam will dissipate into thin air as more people adopt science and rational debate in these new free countries, it only means Islam was not true to begin with and they can now live more productive lives and support the sick and starving to greater effect than your psychotic religion ever did. Also I don't care about your personal feelings, to me you are evil and I must persuade you to stop being evil as we live in a free speech environment and I do not believe I should kill innocent civilians in order to force my beliefs apon you.
aDCBeast Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 09:36AM


destructor

Islam does not call for killing civilians to force beliefs on anyone. That is horseshit propaganda for the igonorant.

millions of Iraqis were not executed by the state. in fact the number is less than 10,000 at the acknowledgement of the US and Britain. They did nothing because they endorsed it. It kept Saddam in power.

There is no such thing as evil. That is more propaganda for the ignorant.
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 04:26PM

Just like in Alice in Wonderland, words mean just what beast wants them to mean
John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 04:56PM

I swear, it's a damn good thing none of us actually has any ability to influence world events...
Anonymous Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 06:32PM


Anonymous@232102

Nice try geek. Look up gypsy for yourself in any dictionary you want.

As far as I know, using the actual definition of a word is how meaning is formed. Please let me know if that standard has changed.

John_Stone

Don't be so sure of that.
duane Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 07:33PM

I new you were James Carville lol.No I said it before you work for a democrat politician or are one.You will never influence anyone becuase you would have to win an election and thats not happening anytime soon.
aDCBeast Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 09:32PM


Duance the Tard

Like IIII said before, I work for Uncle Sam.
destructor Report This Comment
Date: August 28, 2005 11:21PM

"millions of Iraqis were not executed by the state. in fact the number is less than 10,000 at the acknowledgement of the US and Britain. They did nothing because they endorsed it. It kept Saddam in power."

And when we do something about it you oppose it?

"There is no such thing as evil. That is more propaganda for the ignorant."

So if someone were to rape your wife in front of you and force feed you crushed glass for being "out of place", there would be nothing wrong with that? Of course not you ****ing idiot. Evil exists and standing there doing nothing whilst evil occurs is as bad as doing it yourself.

Liberals are not the masters of ethics, logic and reasonning are. I have just proven you wrong. Sure, maybe thge Iraq war cost us and lowerred your standard of living slightly, but I don't care. My life isn't a hedonistic imperative, I'm sentient and intelligent, I have better things to do.
aDCBeast Report This Comment
Date: August 29, 2005 12:42AM


destructor

We encouraged it so opposing it now is like John Kerry voting to go to war but not vote for the 87 billion to arm the troops.

that means the US was a coconspirator in the killings.

Evil does not exist. That is food for the ignorant.

You couldn't proove dog shit stinks.

I hope you do have better things to do because you are not very good at what you have done here.
John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: August 29, 2005 06:36PM

*Anonymous@18867* : You're creepin' me out, man. You with the gummint or something?
aDCBeast Report This Comment
Date: August 29, 2005 11:18PM


John_Stone

Sure am.
John_Stone Report This Comment
Date: August 30, 2005 12:00AM

Dude, you should create a login so no one can spoof your comments.

So, what branch of gummint, then? IRS? State? Local? BATF? What're we talkin' here? House Majority Whip? Speaker's lackey? Ways & Means Committee? You have influence on foreign policy decisions? ARE YOU ACTUALLY KARL ROVE?!?!
gruff Report This Comment
Date: August 30, 2005 02:10AM

The Koran, Sura 8:12 - “I will cast dread into the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike off their heads, then, and strike off all of their fingertips.”
aDCBeast Report This Comment
Date: August 30, 2005 04:49AM


John_Stone

I only wish I could put the cuffs on Rove myself. Executive branch. That's correct. My boss is the asshole.
aDCBeast Report This Comment
Date: August 30, 2005 04:49AM

gruff

1 Samuel 17:48-51 KJV

"Therefore David ran, and stood upon the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him, and cut off his head therewith. And when the Philistines saw their champion was dead, they fled."

You should have made sure the bible didn't contain a similar passage. Especially since the both documents originate in the same area of the globe.