Mint Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 09:50AM
she is a no body so it wasnt assassination.
mkcerusky Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 09:56AM
It is not her who as killed, it was the man who freed her, in her case it is
just attempted assassination....or am I misunderastanding your irony as usual
(not easy for a non native english speaker to get understand irony in english)
mkcerusky Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 09:58AM
I just noticed I did make lots of grammar errors...never mind, I guess the
contents are understandable, however, I wrote Routers but I meant Reuters, of
course
Mint Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 12:19PM
naa what i meant was assassination is when its a murder of political
importance. like assassinating a president or activist. killing a reporter is
just murder
mkcerusky Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 12:33PM
Ah, I didn't know that, thus the Italian "assassinio" (or
"omicidio"
means "murder", we don't have a word
for assassination then, unless we don't add the adjective
"politico".
Thanks for the explanation
This means that in the image, when I wrote "assassination" I actually
meant "murder".
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 01:26PM
mkcerusky,does the rusky hint of you being russian or just pro russian? you
should have been riding in the car with the bitch.I am quite sure she was pro
American,YEA! RIGHT. TOO! BAD you were not along for the ride.any way two words
for you.PISS OFF.
mkcerusky Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 01:41PM
Anonymous@229173 are you back to the times of the cold war? It is over, did
anyone ever tell you? Or are you like those japanese soldiers in pacific islands
that for some years kept fighting without knowing that the war was over?
...open your eyes and learn to judje from facts instead of offending freely
people.
Thanks
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 01:59PM
FREELY PEOPLE? IF YOU WENT TO SCHOOL I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW WHERE? TO MAKE SURE I
NEVER INROLL ANYONE IN THAT SCHOOL.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 02:17PM
it isnt "inroll" you dumb mother fucker......it's enroll. Where the
fuck did you go to school?
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 02:54PM
The same school that teaches you to add question marks to the end of a
statement and type in capitals.
Black_Trans_Am Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 02:56PM
Wow, lots of brilliant commentary this morning.
mkcerusky Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 03:48PM
I wonder how many languages does anonymous@229173 speak ...I am not a native
english speaker, of course I make mistakes, and you?
hosbro Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 03:53PM
ok ...lets ignore all the grammatical errors in his comment and focus on the
main idea....the question was "why did they get shot?"...the answer is
because the American soldiers working the checkpoint to enter the American base
probably thought it was a possible car bombing attack and felt that "deadly
force" was necessary in the situation.....now I'm sure that the soldiers at
the check point were told to open fire on anyone driving a car through the maze
of barriers set up to prevent car bombings if they failed to follow the
procedure the entrance signs "outlined"...these signs are surely
written in at least two languages if not more...don't know if italian was one of
the languages but if you are "doing rescues" in another country, it's
necessary to know the language or have an interpretor...if the speed limit says
10 mph you had better not be doing 50 mph (and yes I know about the Km
thing)...this same thing has happened in our own country when a Group leader
tried to test out the effiency of his men by running the check point at a
nuclear sub base....he caught a bullet to the head because he didn't follow the
checkpoint procedure...a full investigation followed which cleared the soldiers
which will probably be the case in this situation....just to let you know the
superiors in charge of this situation will not hesitate to place the blame on a
"grunt" as seen in the prisoner abuse scandal that previously
"haunted" American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan if any "wrong
doing" is found in the investigation...read into that last statement as you
will...most likely, nobody of importance stands to be accused if it is found
that a communication breakdown caused the shooting....still if I was driving a
non-military vehicle through a checkpoint I would follow the rules
explicitly....I would be tempted to walk with my hand above my head in the
universal surrender pose towards the gate just so that no mistake could be
made...those soldiers are not using BB guns and they are told to shoot first and
ask questions later
hosbro Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 03:58PM
oops hands over my head...before someone assumes I don't know how to write or
that I only have one hand
hosbro Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 04:05PM
we are at war folks...shit happens....mistakes will be made....I'm a true
skeptic but I really don't feel that assassinating a reporter and two italian
agents was "pivotal" in someones "evil conspiracy to Rule the
World"
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 04:25PM
blah blah blah it must be monday, bash america day
Anthony Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 04:38PM
mkcerusky, I'm not going to pretend I know all the circumstances of the
shooting. But don't you think it is possible this was a tragic accident???? You
are sitting in your safe chair behind your computer, so I very much doubt that
you can comprehend the incessant fear of being an American soldier in Iraq.
Every day they hear about a colleague being killed. There are suicide car
bombers EVERYWHERE. They come out of nowhere and you have VERY little time to
act and save yourself. I'm sure every second, the soldiers that get checkpoint
duty are stressed out to breaking point,looking for any possible threat such as
a jihadist car bomber. Iraq is an INCREDIBLY dangerous place, and that airport
road is THE MOST DANGEROUS in Iraq. The notion that the US soldiers purposely
shot up an Italian rescue operation is LUDICROUS!!!! All this theory confirms is
that Italians really are an incredibly emotional people, ready to accept the
most sensationalist explanation for anything. And on a second thought, that
Italian anti-american journalist really should not be in Iraq, trying to drum up
support for withdrawing Italian forces in Iraq. All she is doing is providing
the terrorists with a kidnap target so that they can demand millions in ransom,
which go to fund further killings of innocent people.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 05:02PM
Amazing. Almost everything Anthony said here about how dangerous being in Iraq
is true, and yet there are people who gloss over how bad things are, and pretend
that we're 'winning', and we're 'doing fine' over there. Maybe I'm not over
there myself, and maybe some soldiers think things are getting better, but
things like this keep happening, all too frequently to be random chance, and you
can tell your families and yourselves that these are isolated incidents and
don't indicate how things really are over there, but...
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 05:46PM
I know I spelled enroll wrong,2 people talking to me & the dog was barking
asshole.Did I spell asshole right?
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 06:01PM
It's hard to think any intelligent life exist in ITALY when they follow people
like Benito Mussolini & the Pope. Then of all things elect Benito
Mussolini's Granddaughter to office.Why would speeding to a road block by
Italians supprise you?
Anthony Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 07:04PM
Well, it is very obvious Giuliana Sgrena is using the tragic death of the
intelligence officer to further her own anti-american agenda. She's a journalist
for a communist newspaper, and she is well know for her fierce opposition to the
Iraq war and American policies. She is suggesting that the US deliberately
targeted her car because they oppose the way Italy readily pays huge ransoms for
hostages. The word ABSURD just doesn't do justice to this belief, and I think
it is shows questionable principles to use the death of one of her fellow
countrymen to further her personal beliefs. And again, as a side note, readily
paying ransoms for hostages only endangers everyone as it provides motivation
for further kidnappings. Italians must be highly prized kidnap targets in the
Iraqi terrorist circles.
Timmeh Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 08:14PM
USA being incredibely stupid again, the supposedly best trained best equiped
army in the world manages to shoot the wrong person again. Friendly fire from
Americans was the highest killer among British soldiers during the first gulf
war and it is one of their major killers again. When American soldiers can't
even tell the difference between a British tank and a 50 year old Russian tank
something can't be right. Even their 50 million dollar missiles manage to 'miss'
the terrorists hideouts and hit schools or mosques perfectly. This won't be the
last time the American army fucks up
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 08:16PM
That is what they get for being in a war zone. Stay out if you want to live.
Stop trying to make a tax free dollar by working as a contractor...stop trying
to get the best story as a journalist...the 19 and 20 year olds that are
fighting over there want to come home without being carried in a box. If they
shoot a car that appears threatening....so be it.
Mint Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 10:20PM
Timmeh that is the first time i ever heard that. please link to an article
showing americans killed more british during the first gulf war
Anthony Report This Comment Date: March 07, 2005 10:35PM
Timmeh, in March of 2003 in Southern Iraq, a British Challenger tank fired on
another British Challenger tank during an engagement with the enemy, killing 2
soldiers. A British military spokesman said "Regardless of the careful
planning and measures taken in the type of operations in which we are engaged
and in the heat of battle there is always a risk that incidents such as this
might happen."
Friendly fire accidents are a problem for ANY country's armed forces during
actual combat, as people are understandably fearing for their lives and make
mistakes, something most of us cannot fully understand.
mkcerusky Report This Comment Date: March 08, 2005 10:49AM
Hoewever the americans already changes their official version, stating that
actually they knew everything about that car and confirming that the car had
already passed several checkpoints and hypotising that probably it was a matter
of coordination with the particular group of soldiers that shooted...that is
thei are going in the direction of conferming the italian version.
Moreover, when I say I would like things to be cleared and justice to be done, I
am simply referring the case of the Chermiss tragedy in which USA refused to
process their soldiers and they even gave a medal to one of them, thus, us
italians are never so sure that USA processes their soldiers for murders
performed outside USA.
Perhaps now things are different because of previous scandals that happened in
Iraq, I simply hope so.
mkcerusky Report This Comment Date: March 08, 2005 11:56AM
See the official italian version here:
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Anonymous Report This Comment Date: March 09, 2005 02:34AM
Maybe someone should have told these people these are battlegrounds. This is
the same crap we always hear about journalists during times of war, unrest,
police actions etc. They are duly warned and well aware of the risks. A
journalists job is to seek and report on controversy. The more controversial
the better their exposure, reputation and status in their field. Regardless of
responsibility, you can be assured this situation is being sensationalized.
mkcerusky Report This Comment Date: March 09, 2005 09:21AM
The killed man was not a journalist, was an agent of the sismi, that is italian
secret agents.
By the way, USA accepted to collaborate with italy in clearing up everything, so
maybe, THIS time, justice will be done.
Moreover, sgrena declared clearly last night that she never said that they
wanted to kill HER, but simply that they shot for killing, no matter who was in
the car. She also explained that what she said in the videos divulgated by the
terrorists it was the result of imposition.
Finally, when the car was shot, it had already stopped.
Evrything indicates that there has been some error, could it be in the
communication among americans, or in the behaviour of the soldiers that shot,
but there must have been an error, which is witnessed also by the fact that the
american soldiers interrupted the telephone call between the italian soldier and
the italian governament, why did they do it? Were they afraid of what the
italian soldier was telling to our governament? Why should they have been so
sorry and so afraid if they had done everything perfectly well as you are
stating?
The main reason why here in Italy, unless a collaborative investigation is done,
do not believe the american version to be true, is simply because in the past,
in other situations involving Italy and USA, USA simply hidden the truth and
tried to do everything do protect their faulty killer, see again the case of the
Cermis: if your memory is short, our is not!
mkcerusky Report This Comment Date: March 09, 2005 09:24AM
In other words, we only hope that THIS time, for the FIRST time the american
governament will collaborate and let the investigations go on in collaboration
and that they will not hide the truth.
We also know that, even if international laws state that the soldiers should be
processed in Italy, USA will never let us process them, so we want USA to be at
least honest to investigate with us and to process them fairly (not like in the
case of the Cermis).
They promised they are going to do so, and I want to believe them.
Anthony Report This Comment Date: March 09, 2005 04:39PM
Mkcerusky, the pilot in the Cermis incident was court marshalled and served 6
months in prison and will never fly again. Yeah, he was originally aquitted,
which really angered me, but he was court marshalled again for destroying the
video tape evidence, and I think the judge took that opportunity to make sure
justice was served. I think one problem is that Americans watch and admire too
much violent action packed Rambo Top Gun type movies, and when they serve in the
military they get to play with very powerful toys with a dangerous mindset.
Anthony Report This Comment Date: March 10, 2005 03:37AM
OK about the Cermis incident. I looked into it, and like many things, it is
more complicated than it first appears. The pilot had never flown in that area
before. The maps issued to him did not show the cable car. His mistake was
basically flying too low and too fast, but he had no idea he was endangering
other peoples lives when he was flying through the mountains. The court marshall
carefully examined this evidence and determined that it was an accident.
bigbooger Report This Comment Date: March 10, 2005 08:05AM
Hey, mckerusky, are you upset that your country sucks ass? That a commie bitch
didn't get her way? To bad they missed on that cunt!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mkcerusky Report This Comment Date: March 15, 2005 09:01AM
I thougth that finially some reasonable and polite comments were going to be
written...but then bigbooger arrived lowing again down the level of the
discussion, compliments for your genial intervention
Farmer_Fred Report This Comment Date: April 19, 2005 05:58PM
What is with all thise Bash America Crap???
Without the US all you filthy Euro would be speaking German... Don't forget that
you poor Fuc**rs
Farmer_Fred Report This Comment Date: April 19, 2005 05:58PM
What is with all thise Bash America Crap???
Without the US all you filthy Euro would be speaking German... Don't forget that
you poor Fuc**rs
