Anonymous Report This Comment Date: December 13, 2005 06:37AM
The Pope? I don't think Tookie's Catholic. Also, an eye for an eye. Thou shalt
not kill is one of the ten commandments. He killed 4 people in cold blood
(execution style), then bragged about it.
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: December 13, 2005 06:55AM
Who gives a fuck if Tookie is catholic ? Catholics need to get off their
collective asses and stop executions. Too many American catholics that go to
church and don't act on their faith in everyday life.
"No execution is justified" PJP II
Thou shalt not kill may be in the commandments however the punishment is done by
GOD not MAN.
He may not have killed anyone. A jail house snitch offered information in LOS
ANGELES. The home of POLICE CORRUPTION. Where police would do anything to frame
someone. Especially if youz a nigga.
We can get your time cut if you inform on Tookie. Your looking at 25 to life. We
can get you a deal with the DA if you "help us". Do you want to
"help us" ?
Tookie bragged about killing people because ? If you didn't brag about killing
people what would happen to you ? You would be tossing someones salad that
night. Damn you're naive. Everyone says they did something so they can have a
rep in jail. Did you just fall off a turnip truck ?
The show the "Shield" is true. LA was and is a cesspool of police
corruption. The show is bases on the Rampart scandal where officers actually
killed innocent people to hide the fact that they were in fact criminals.
When will you white people get a GDed clue ?
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: December 13, 2005 11:57AM
First, the Roman Catholic Church does, in fact, sanction the authority of the
state to execute criminals. Look it up in the Catechism, authored during JPII
and issued with his imprimateur.
Pope John Paul II was personally spiritually opposed to the death penalty, but
never EVER made such a statement as the policy or official doctrine of the
Church.
Second...the commandment ,when properly translated, is thou shalt not
"MURDER" ( not the word "kill"
There is a strong moral distinction between
"kill" and "murder"
Third..{Catholics need to get off their collective asses and stop executions.
Too many American catholics that go to church and don't act on their faith in
everyday life}... Catholics have a well founded fear of publicly espousing their
religion. Remember JFK.. he had to publicly state and repeat that his aleigence
was to the constution, and not his faith. The media in this coountry supports
those catholics who embrace positions which agree with the liberal view of the
democrat party, and any which seem to go anywhere away from the dogmatic left
are smeared as "fundamentalists" or other such slanders.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: December 13, 2005 12:09PM
Tookie is burning in hell right now!
Nelson Report This Comment Date: December 13, 2005 02:19PM
Ha..Ha..
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: December 13, 2005 03:01PM
If heaven is so great, how come religious people don't want this guy to hurry
up and get there? Also, if god didn't want him to die, he can resurrect him.
Truth_from_Georgia Report This Comment Date: December 13, 2005 03:34PM
Catholic Catechism, Part 3, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 5, Respect for Human
Life, Legitimate Defense:
"The efforts of the state to curb the spread of behavior harmful to
people's rights and to the basic rules of civil society correspond to the
requirement of safeguarding the common good. Legitimate public authority has the
right and duty to inflict punishment proportionate to the gravity of the
offense. Punishment has the primary aim of redressing the disorder introduced by
the offense. When it is willingly accepted by the guilty party, it assumes the
value of expiation. Punishment then, in addition to defending public order and
protecting people's safety, has a medicinal purpose: as far as possible, it must
contribute to the correction of the guilty party.67
Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully
determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to
the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending
human lives against the unjust aggressor.
If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people's
safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these
are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in
conformity to the dignity of the human person.
Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for
effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense
incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the
possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the
offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically
nonexistent."68
I do not see this situation as either (a) necessary to keep Williams from
killing again or (b) in any way helping him (contributing to the correction of
the guilty party). It therefore is against Catholic teaching in this instance.
But the bigger issue -- whether a practicing Catholic like myself or not -- is
what is the purpose of "capital punishment"? I saw Schwartzenegger
(also a Catholic, although I am not sure how practicing) saying how can we be
sure he repented. Others saying how he should be spared because he has reformed
and is now doing good works. In my mind that is asking the wrong question --
the question needs to be for what purpose do we have capital punishment?
If the answer is to exact state-sanctioned revenge for the past action -- in
other words, to punish for the crime -- then so what if he reformed? We should
kill him regardless because he killed others. Reform is irrelevant.
If the purpose is to deter others, then again, what purpose does reform have?
In fact, it goes against what you want to do because it gives people an
"out". "Oh, I reformed. Don't kill me." If we really want
to use capital punishment as deterrent, then we should whack the guy as
painfully and gruesomely as possible -- hanging, burning alive, whatever.
Maximum deterrent value.
Personally, I am against the death penalty because I feel that it does not deter
anyone (most murders are done in the heat of the moment or when on drugs or
drunk) and because it certainly does not help the victim much. And I do not buy
this punishment idea much -- you cannot kill, unless you do it collectively
through the state, in which case it is OK. Killing is still killing and I
cannot morally justify it.
Just my thoughts.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: December 13, 2005 05:20PM
It may not deter, but it sure prevents repeat offenders!
It's a lot harder to "off someone" from hell than from prison!
And for those "give them a second chance" liberals, tell me this. Do
their victims get a "second chance?" NO! So why should the killers
get one?
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: December 13, 2005 05:58PM
who is this man guys??????
Truth_from_Georgia Report This Comment Date: December 13, 2005 06:00PM
True. Capital punishment does prevent repeat offenders. But that typical Rush
Limbaugh screed of "do victims get a second chance" is just a red
herring. As far as I know, not many are advocating for "giving them a
second chance." Why not just lock them up for a 500 year sentence? If
they survive that long, then fine, give 'em a second chance.
There was just a guy released from prison here in Georgia last week who served
24 years for a 1981 rape that he did not commit (DNA tests proved that he was
wrongly convicted). Oops. Sorry. Sucks to be you. But at least we can say
that. Much tougher if he is dead. What if we make a mistake? Mistakes are
made, and that is inevitable. It has happened in the past, happens now and will
happen in the future. Perhaps not many mistakes -- perhaps less than 1%.
Still, much easier to attempt to unwind the mistakes when the person is still
alive.
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: December 13, 2005 07:20PM
Anonymous@17333
Who cares about repeat offenders ?
My problem is that Snitch testimony that get's someone senetenced to death.
Prosecutors should not rely on liars to get convictions. It casts doubt on the
whole process.
me_one Report This Comment Date: December 13, 2005 07:48PM
well he's dead already - this heart felt protest clearly didn't work.
i'm still undecided if it was right to kill him, but is too late now.
Truth_from_Georgia Report This Comment Date: December 13, 2005 07:59PM
It is too late now. But one should decide whether the PRACTICE is right or not,
since otherwise it will be too late the next time, and the time after that, and
the time after that.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: December 13, 2005 10:03PM
all of a sudden people give a shit! what about all the other dirt-bags that got
the "cocktail" before? nobody fought near as hard for their worthless
asses! is it maybe because he was a crypt/blood or whatever he was? yeah they're
worth saving! NOT!
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: December 13, 2005 11:14PM
me_one@176
But there are others. Why does this plea have to stop at Tookie Williams ? Why
not go further.
Don't be a mental slacker. You're still undecided ? WTF is that ? It is
illogical for a civil society to kill its citizens. Especially when convictions
in a court of law don't have an absolute truth to them.
Good thing all of those people wrongly convicted of rape then later exonnerated
by DNA analysis didn't get executed. It's also a good thing they were still
alive to free them from prison.
fossil_digger
Come on. Every person on death row doesn't have a sexy story to get people to
wake up. Every issue has its sexy story.
Elizabeth Smart (who wasn't abducted) was needed for that stupid Amder Alert
law.
The Brady bill needed shot up Jim Brady.
The death penalty needed Tookie Williams for people to look at it.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: December 14, 2005 01:06AM
he was used by the anti-death penalty pacifists to try and gain a upper hand in
an "investigation" into whether they could have the law retracted.
wake up people! rip tookie what? a new asshole? too late! he got what he
deserved, just like every other murdering peice of shit before him! and don't
even throw the prison informant card, there was a hell of a lot of other
evidence! jesse jackson does'nt give a shit, he's just geting free face time to
try and bring attention to himself and his new "bid". snoop dog, he's
a reformed gangster, that's someone i want vouching for me! NOT! tookie should
have thrown his lame ass out on his head! I FORGET WHO ELSE BUT IT WAS ALL FREE
FACE TIME FOR ALL OF THEM......PERIOD!
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: December 14, 2005 02:46AM
Speaking of Jesse Jackson, while standing outside of San Quentin, a reporter
asked Jackson to identify just 1 of the 4 victims...
imagine that, he couldn't...
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: December 14, 2005 02:49AM
fossil_digger
It seems you and other stupid people want the law to do more than it was
intended to do. The law is not intended to judge you or your life and pass
judgement. That is Gods job.
The Law's only intention is find the truth as to whether an individual performed
specific acts that violate law. No more.
This Limbaugh and ORielly cynicism of the left is hilarious. It's not a
conservative trait. It's a liberal trait to be skeptical of peoples motives.
Maybe that should tell you something about people who claim to be conservative
but act like liberals.
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: December 14, 2005 02:54AM
Anonymous@5179
Why should he ? Tookie didn't kill them.
Isn't that a quandry ? One would find it quite difficult to identify people who
never met Tookie.
avengerx Report This Comment Date: December 14, 2005 03:12AM
guys , though i dont know who is tookie anyway but from the arguments u r
posting i can say that : if someone kills , he must be sentenced to death
...killing is a crime and death for murders would prevent further acts , am with
death penalty , unless u ll find no places in jails ...and why to support some1
who killed in the 1st place ....cant any1 tell me more abut this tookie thing
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: December 14, 2005 03:19AM
DC - read the post again, you make no sense
The comment was based on Jesse only being there to better his own public image
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: December 14, 2005 03:31AM
and as usual he made a fool of himself
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: December 14, 2005 09:39AM
Anonymous@5179
I got that. I was saying "why should Jackson know people who Tookie never
did harm to ?" Why should Jesse show concern for anyone but Tookie ? It
seems you assume something you shouldn't.
Fossil_Crapper
Lame try geek.
Anonymous Report This Comment Date: December 14, 2005 11:20PM
Who Tookie never did harm to? Oh yeah... according to the killer. Let's
believe him simply because he "reformed" himself. Lying to save his
own ass. It was said in an earlier post. All criminals are liars. Also
DC_beast... I suggest you educate yourself on other items as well... The Amber
alert was not created because of Elizabeth Smart. It was created and named
after a girl from New Jersey who was abducted and killed. And if it saves one
child's life, it surely is not a stupid law. But then again, what would that
matter to some jackass like yourself who puts criminal's rights ahead of
innocent children's lives.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: December 15, 2005 02:23AM
jesse made a fool of himself without realizing it. you do it on
purpose.....LOL...you gotta work on that self-image
aDCBeast Report This Comment Date: December 18, 2005 04:21AM
Anonymous@233244
How about according to the evidence ? The evidence was so weak that the LAPD
(America's most Corrupt Cops) squeezed another criminal to lie in court to cut
his jail time. You belief that "All criminals are liars" supports
Tookies case. Doesn't it ? there is no evidence except 1 other criminalsw word
that Tookie confessed in jail. Looks like you should know what you are talking
about before you open your pie hole.
Why do you think I brought up the Amber Alert BS. I looked it up. Damn some
people.
Laws that save 1 life could be passed every day. How about no one is allowed to
drive a car ? That would save 60,000 lives a year. doesn't that sound good ? The
Amber alert law is stupid.
I don't put criminals right before anyone, Rush Limbaugh. I put every american
citizens rights at the same plane. and I think of them in term of the
constitution. Something very few american know jack shit about.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: January 09, 2011 05:17PM
i'm real interested to see if beastie will defend the Arizona murderer.
