W Report This Comment Date: June 08, 2010 08:20PM
WAAAAAAA!! Its Obamas fault!!!
blinkermann Report This Comment Date: June 08, 2010 08:30PM
It should be 10 trillion -- which is bad enough, but I guess 100 trillion is
more dramatic. The debt is about $13 trillion now. If it is $20 trillion at
the end of his term, that puts us in the compnay of Italy and Greece in terms of
debt-GDP ratios. To get to $100 trillion we would need some hyperinflation.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: June 09, 2010 12:43AM
it's bush's fault we're stuck with this fruitloop
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 09, 2010 11:00AM
The fault belongs to all the idiots who voted for him. I can't imagine the
country would be worse off if McCain/Palin had been elected instead. We will be
paying for this screw up the rest of our lives and our great grand-kids lives as
well.
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 09, 2010 12:48PM
Unfortunately you were all well and truly on the path to such debt well before
he ever popped his head up to become president. It's been coming ever since
Clinton left office and you had large budget surplus. Added to that the 'gfc'
caused by America's corporate greed under the direction of Bush relaxing all the
financial laws and .. hey, you reap what you sow.
Monster1 Report This Comment Date: June 09, 2010 03:29PM
Uncle Bill got the USA into more debt not less...
[
en.wikipedia.org]
At least GW spent the money kicking raghead ass as payback for 911
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: June 10, 2010 01:26AM
I've always thought it comical when people make statements about Clinton having
left a treasury surplus (which was really only numbers on a page which bore no
resemblance to anything existent in the reality of the financial world) and that
GWB then shredded that "surplus" and also spent us into financial
oblivion. The comedy is that these folks always fail to mention how the
financial disasters that accompanied the attacks on 9-11 played a huge part in
that.
ANYONE in business in the US knows how heavily the economy was impacted after
9-11 and in truth that the economy has never fully recovered since then, but
they always neglect to mention this all too obvious fact when making such
statements
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 10, 2010 01:26AM
Gee what an intelligent perspective.
Oh well I'm glad kicking 'ragheads' asses is important to you, because you've
spent a fuckload of money on it, and nothing is even remotely different after
it.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 10, 2010 11:01AM
For 2 years before 9/11 I had a prospering internet business making over a
thousand per week but after 9/11 the business took a nose dive and within six
months died completely. So many Bush haters just want to blame Bush for
everything and never recognize the economic disaster that the attack and the
aftermath caused. They just want to blame Bush. The national debt has more the
quadrupled under Odamna and is still climbing.
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 10, 2010 01:48PM
The national debt has quadrupled in the past 2 years?
I'd like to see the source of those statistics.
Monster1 Report This Comment Date: June 10, 2010 03:18PM
"Oh well I'm glad kicking 'ragheads' asses is important to you, because
you've spent a fuckload of money on it, and nothing is even remotely different
after it."
Well, we could have given them ragheads an "Oscar" if we've had
president Hussein but Gw said maybe killing the Taliban and hanging Saddam would
send the right message to them.
And I know where all those billions went to: Fannie Mae, Fredy Mack, Ginnie
Mae, Barney Frank, the DNC and President Hussein, The election of the first
black prez cost America it's worst recession in history.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: June 10, 2010 04:34PM
get ready for the double dip recession
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: June 10, 2010 04:35PM
Hey pulse, though I ain't gonna bother with providing a source, the US deficit
passed the $13,000,000,000,000 (13 trillion) just a few weeks back. With the
current administrations growth of the federal govt. since taking office (20%
increase!) and an increase in federal salaries also this admin. has made some
great strides in adding increases to the deficit that will keep on giving for
years to come as each of these new govt. jobs comes complete with the regular
benefits and retirement costs that will just pile on to the problems we already
faced economically.
Hell man, just one byproduct of the Obamacare health care program will require
up to 16,000 new IRS agents, not even mentioning the costs involved in new
facilities/maintenance/utilities/printing/computers/etc. that go along with this
SINGLE govt. employee add on!
Small businesses (like mine) have historically led the way out of recessions
here but every small business owner I know is simply doin their best to hang on
at this point and business growth is all but non-existent in todays world in the
US.
Small business owners are unsure of the costs of all the new federal regulations
and mandates that will effect their businesses and any with capital reserves are
so apprehensive that they're NOT spending any monies not absolutely necessary as
we all just keep waitin for the "next" shoe to drop. When you add to
this scenario the fact that any type of business loans that actually ARE
available are requiring owners to basically put their entire business up as
collateral, few businesses are seeking capital improvement loans.
Right now the economy is on such shaky ground it's pretty dismal all in all and
with unemployment hovering at over double the percentage rate we as a country
find acceptable, businesses are havin a helluva time selling their goods and
services as there's little expendable income out there to get
Monster1 Report This Comment Date: June 10, 2010 10:56PM
Last summer I spent a week in Japan and Sadly you could see where the economy
in the USA is going by just looking at Japanese streets... I only saw one US
Cadillac Escalade (US Consulate plates) and a couple of Mercedes that's it!
people drive Japanese cars only, now how many Toyotas, Nissans, Hondas etc. do
you see in the USA streets everyday ?????
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 11, 2010 01:19AM
MrKim: No doubt, I'm not disputing that the debt has increased under Obama. I'm
disputing the claim that was made that it has QUADRUPLED since he took office 2
years ago, hence my asking for the proof of that, because that's frankly a
fuckin' stupid thing to say. Even if it were true, the US economy was well and
truly on shaky ground when he took over, the 'GFC' hit almost immediately as the
US mortgage crisis caused the economy to implode, it certainly wasn't his doing.
As I said, not disputing/doubting things have got worse under his reign, just
arguing the ratios.
Monster: American cars are shit. They have poor build quality, poor reliability
and poor technology. The world doesn't want them, Detroit was left behind a
long, long time ago.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not having a go, Australian cars share a lot with
American ones, our auto industry is a dinosaur as well. Both are being left for
dead by outdated business and production models, while small, cheap, efficient,
technologically advanced cars are waltzing in at a better price point and
leaving the rest for dead. I replaced my Australian built Ford Falcon 2 years
ago with a Mitsubishi Lancer. It costs half as much to run and shares roughly
the same comfort level.
In business the mantra is simple. Keep up, or be left behind.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 11, 2010 10:27AM
It has been mentioned several times on this site that the debt when Bush left
office was in the neighborhood of 3 trillion. Now if you take that and divide
it into the current national debt you would bet a figure of better then 4 so it
would seem to be more than quadrupled.
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 11, 2010 02:27PM
You believe what people on this site says?
According to CBS news, the debt was 5.7 trillion WHEN bush took office, and 9.8
trillion when he left office.
[
www.cbsnews.com]
Quote
cbsnews
With no fanfare and little notice, the national debt has grown by more than $4
trillion during George W. Bush's presidency.
It's the biggest increase under any president in U.S history.
On the day President Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727
trillion. The latest number from the Treasury Department shows the national debt
now stands at more than $9.849 trillion. That's a 71.9 percent increase on Mr.
Bush's watch.
But don't let the facts stand in the way of a good story
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/06/2010 02:28PM by pulse.
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: June 11, 2010 05:37PM
pulse, I agree with what you're saying, but you're wasting your time
here...
there are a handful of regulars to this site that suffer from confirmation bias
as well as attitude polarization...you could hit them in the face with an oil
tanker full of facts and they will rebut and stand firm on their toy sailboat
full of misinformation, because that sailboat is what the want to be the
truth...
they won't even bother to look up these conditions, let alone realize that they
suffer from them...
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: June 11, 2010 09:52PM
jane you ignorant slut!
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: June 11, 2010 09:54PM
Careful ... don't feed the chimps
Hey pro .... if I needed to look up those terms to get a grip on their meaning
I'd truly feel intellectually lacking.
Even though this has been asked multiple times previously, since you obviously
deem yourself to be oh-so wise on the topic and its ramifications how 'bout you
list for all us you obviously deem to be intellectually deficient in
comprehending the great strides forward Big O has made for us, exactly what his
programs and policies have done to benefit the citizenry of the US
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/06/2010 12:17AM by Mrkim.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: June 12, 2010 12:37AM
MrKim: No doubt, I'm not disputing that the debt
has increased under Obama. I'm disputing the claim that was made that it has
QUADRUPLED since he took office 2 years ago, hence my asking for the proof of
that, because that's frankly a fuckin' stupid thing to say. Even if it were
true, the US economy was well and truly on shaky ground when he took over, the
'GFC' hit almost immediately as the US mortgage crisis caused the economy to
implode, it certainly wasn't his doing. As I said, not disputing/doubting things
have got worse under his reign, just arguing the ratios.
Here's the thing pulse, you have to dig much deeper and inspect where the
policies came from that led to the mortgage industry bubble bursting that indeed
caused the catastrophic international financial failures. Scratching the
surface WILL NOT reveal the true source of the problem.
To be totally fair the previous administration defined the problems that led to
the melt down, made their findings public and even attempted to make necessary
changes that could have at least had an effect of minimizing the damage and were
stymied by the liberal congress from then making the necessary changes.
If you want the facts, they're out there, but you won't find them by listening
to the talking heads at MSNBC, ABC, CBS or many other outlets as quite simply
they don't suit their liberalist agenda
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 12, 2010 06:55AM
I totally agree with pretty much both sides of this argument.
See this is the thing. I don't honestly care who is president of the US, or what
party is in power. I don't live there, it really doesn't effect me, aside from
when the shit hits the fan and we're dragged either into financial turmoil or
war, both of which have happened this decade.
The thing that pisses me off is when people make up bullshit facts trying to win
an argument. Throwing things out there like "debt has quadrupled under
Obama", whilst not only being unsubstantiated by the person making the
claim, even the most brain dead moron can see with a cursory glance that it's a
stupid thing to say.
I'm all for people arguing, but at least do it sensibly.
To be honest, I hated Bush. I think he was a spineless, brain dead coward. But
then I don't particularly like Obama either. I just.. don't care.
We're going to be faced with a similar situation in Australia sometime around
November. The Labour party leader, Kevin Rudd, is a complete fuck. He's ruining
the country. But Tony Abbott, the leader of the alternative 'major' party, is
just a talking head whos only real policies seem to be saying the complete
opposite of what the Labour party says.
It's just a shit situation to be in, and it's pretty much where I see
America.
Quote
Douglas
Adams
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one
of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do
it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule
people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary:
anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account
be allowed to do the job. To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a
problem.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 12, 2010 11:32AM
You said there was 3 trillion in debt when Bush took office and many many
others said that Clinton balanced the budget and there was no debt when he left
office. Evidently there is a discrepancy there. so it just depends on which
figures one would use. Regardless of which ones you use it is clear that Odamna
has grown the debt dramatically in the short time he has been in office. Just
imagine where it will be when he leaves office.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: June 12, 2010 02:10PM
I hear ya pulse and I too dislike any manipulation of data/facts in an attempt
to sway an argument. If ones argument lacks support when stating the truth,
playing jiggery poker with the info doesn't really change that. One of my old
girlfriends had a saying along such lines that seems to hold particular
relevance in such discussions .... "I'm never as concerned about WHO'S
right as I am about WHAT'S right."
I do my dead level best in making any case I present to be as truthful as
possible. even when doing so may support the "other side" in an
argument, not because I like proving others points, but because I hold real
truth to ultimately be of the most importance.
I feel for you cats down unders political choices as they sound much like the
"lesser of evils" kinda choices we typically face in major elections
too, which is really sad all in all
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 12, 2010 03:52PM
jgoins: Where did I say 3 trillion? Actually, I said precisely this:
Quote
pulse
On the day President Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727
trillion. The latest number from the Treasury Department shows the national debt
now stands at more than $9.849 trillion.
So if the debt is around 12 trillion now, that's an increase of 2.2 trillion, or
approximately 22 percent of 9.849 trillion. If you're going to try and quote me
at least .. you know .. quote me. I'm not debating it's not a big increase. But
22% falls well short of 400%. You're out by nearly a factor of 20.
Mrkim: I couldn't agree more. I'm actually a big believer in truthful debate. I
love a good argument, but if I'm going to argue I'd prefer to do it with pride.
I also love playing Devil's Advocate. I'll happily argue against my own views
simply because it's a great way to learn. If we, society, don't learn from each
other, what hope is there for any of us?
As for our election, yeah, we're pretty well screwed. I work as a consultant in
a field that is very dependent on strong economic policies, presently
contracting for a very, very large finance corporation. So I've got a choice.
The guy that's going to fuck the economy by taxing mining through the roof (the
one thing that got Australia cleanly through the whole GFC thing - we really
were pretty much unaffected) and the other guy who's going to fuck the economy
by indifference and having nothing of actual substance to offer.
So what it comes down to is the present leader, Kevin Rudd (or K.Rudd as he's
called), is eroding our civil liberties at a rate unheard of since Homeland
Security was launched and England put in its hundred million surveillance
cameras, and I can't stand for that.
So we're damned if we do, and we're damned if we don't.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/06/2010 03:55PM by pulse.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: June 12, 2010 06:40PM
it doesn't much matter which "source" you get your numbers from, they
all are promoting their own agendas. this is a common sense subject here, we owe
trillions and are increasing it.....wtf?! the liberal mindset of spending you
way into prosperity is plain irresponsible and ignorant.....you ignorant sluts.
edit: the progressive liberal mindset.........
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/06/2010 06:45PM by fossil_digger.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 13, 2010 11:05AM
One source here.
[
blog.heritage.org]
President Barack Obama has repeatedly claimed that his budget would cut the
deficit by half by the end of his term. But as Heritage analyst Brian Riedl has
pointed out, given that Obama has already helped quadruple the deficit with his
stimulus package, pledging to halve it by 2013 is hardly ambitious.
It doesn't really matter how much but the simple fact that it is growing so
rapidly is disturbing. I don't know if we are beyond the point of no return but
if it keeps going we will get to a point where we wil never recover from it.
What will happen if America defaults on her mortgage?
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 13, 2010 01:52PM
Quadruple the DEFICIT not the debt.
If you don't know the difference between a budget deficit and debt then .. I
can't help you.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: June 13, 2010 04:53PM
Hey PJ, still waitrin on that list of goodies Big O has contributed to our
country. Whassa matter, cat got your tongue?
I'm awaiting your list of Obama triumphs with bated breath, so, let's hear 'em
man
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment Date: June 14, 2010 10:54AM
Pulse is right about one thing....clinton did start the downward spiral
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 14, 2010 10:54AM
Does not the deficit feed into the debt?
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: June 14, 2010 07:08PM
quote - mrkim
Hey PJ, still waitrin on that list of goodies Big O has contributed to our
country. Whassa matter, cat got your tongue?
I'm awaiting your list of Obama triumphs with bated breath, so, let's hear 'em
man
how does saying that some of the regulars here refuse to admit that anything
other than what they firmly believe could be true equate to me praising
obama?
If I've ever said anything about obama other than that he is just another
politician then you're going to have to show me when and where I did because I
sure don't remember it.
what so many of you fail to grasp is that it doesn't matter who is in control,
dem or rep, liberal or conservative...they're all just politicians and truly do
not give a fuck about you or me or what anyone writes on a user generated
content website...
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment Date: June 14, 2010 07:35PM
Sounds like somebody doesnt wanna come out of the closest
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: June 14, 2010 07:44PM
nah 'Lando, Junior has always been politically neutral except for a few
"anything is better than Bush" comments. it looks like he may be
realizing that those misinformed and naive comments may have been full of shit
now, good job Kim....now where's that beast dumbass?
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: June 14, 2010 11:54PM
you've got to be kidding...
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 15, 2010 08:02AM
Quote
jgoins
Does not the deficit feed into the debt?
Yes it does. But deficit and debt are very different things, and you said Obama
had quadrupled the
debt not the
deficit
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 15, 2010 11:28AM
Well maybe I was seeing the future. We will see where the debt is when he
leaves office.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: June 15, 2010 12:37PM
"
there are a handful of regulars to this site
that suffer from confirmation bias as well as attitude polarization...you could
hit them in the face with an oil tanker full of facts and they will rebut and
stand firm on their toy sailboat full of misinformation, because that sailboat
is what the want to be the truth...
they won't even bother to look up these conditions, let alone realize that they
suffer from them..."
Seems clear enough to me that the above statements would seem to point to the
idea that as one of the
"handful of
regulars" you are mentioning my logic is flawed in my beliefs so I'm
askin for that
"oil tanker full of
facts" you mention to rebut the
"toy sailboat full of misinformation" I
hold as the truth.
And, since the discussion at hand is Obama, how could I draw any other
conclusion than that you disagree with what's been stated which is why I then
asked for a list of his accomplishments, though I see just as I expected, that's
not to be forthcoming.
It's all well and good to sit on the sidelines and take pot shots at others
ideas but if you really have anything of meaning to relate you have to be able
to MAKE some relevant point, which it seems you are either incapable or
ineffective in doing, again .... 'bout what I expected from a liberal backer
Takin the Captain Obvious approach and stating all politicians are basically
dishonest is merely a diversionary tactic, though this too is a common tactic
when liberals are pressed for an answer. Nothin seems to bother a liberal much
more than askin them to actually PROVE their point by using logic and reason
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: June 15, 2010 06:53PM
you've got to be kidding...
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: June 15, 2010 07:25PM
it seems that junior is too chicken to back up his comment.
pro_junior Report This Comment Date: June 17, 2010 12:18AM
hahaha yeah that's it...I'm chicken.
seriously what are you like 7 years old? chicken?
look its really pretty simple, I'm not interested in discussing/arguing politics
on the internet.
I probably shouldn't have said anything...
obviously my confirmation bias comment struck a nerve with you Kim...oddly, it
really wasn't directed at you so much as others, who don't seem to give a shit
that I said it.
was what you said true and accurate? I have no idea. I rarely read most of your
comments as they are generally too long...
anyway...there's nothing I can say to you, or that you can say to me, that will
change any of our political viewpoints, so to me it seems kind of pointless to
go on and on and on about who broke this, or who fixed that. It isn't any one
person, it's 545 people. It's their fault.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: June 17, 2010 12:32AM
yeah, you shouda kept your mouth shut alright.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 17, 2010 12:58AM
Well the whole point of message boards is to exchange opinions and ideas on
issues. If one's argument is strong enough then it may sway the opinion of some
fence sitters. Freedom means we all have a right to our own ideas and beliefs
and have a right to discuss them with whomever we like if they are open for it.
It really doesn't matter where these discussions take place, if it is an open
forum or a little site like this it doesn't matter, it is the discussion and
exchange of ideas that is important.
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment Date: June 17, 2010 03:29AM
Now its 545 people?
Hmmmm thought a few years back it was bush and only bush and im pretty certain i
didnt hear anything about the other 544 people.Care to elaborate pro?
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment Date: June 17, 2010 03:31AM
Well jgoins we could also try shadez points of view,i wonder how that would
work out.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: June 17, 2010 04:50AM
oddly, it really wasn't directed at you so much as
others, who don't seem to give a shit that I said it.
Ok, there's you, me, digger, pulse and goins
(edit -
and now 'Lando too) here, so who then?
was what you said true and accurate?
I do my best to never to relay incorrect info. If you wanna disagree publicly or
privately, be ready to support that disagreement, if not then why comment?
I rarely read most of your comments as they are
generally too long...
Sorry dude, not enough Scotch in me to be a good wordthrift, though I do admire
that talent.
anyway...there's nothing I can say to you, or that
you can say to me, that will change any of our political viewpoints, so to me it
seems kind of pointless to go on and on and on about who broke this, or who
fixed that.
^^^ Cop Out^^^
It isn't any one person, it's 545 people. It's their
fault.
Well, except that as the liberals hold majorities in both houses of congress and
the presidency and then OWN the media too, so tell me then .... whose fault
should it be?
obviously my confirmation bias comment struck a
nerve with you Kim...
Nah, really dude, that was just the best part
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 17/06/2010 04:53AM by Mrkim.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 17, 2010 11:21AM
Good point Lando. Lsta 2 terms it was all Bush's fault. now it's 544 people's
fault. During the last prsidency I was always saying it was the entire congress
at fault as well on things but everyone kept wanting to just blame Bush. I
guess Bush had more power than Odamna has. Where did all the power of the
president go from the last one? Did George take it with him along with the
stapler?
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 18, 2010 09:35AM
I'll settle it nicely for you all.
It's approximately 320 million people's fault.
[
plus613.net]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 18/06/2010 09:41AM by pulse.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 18, 2010 11:08AM
Not the American people's fault. The people we elected did not have to choose
to do what they are doing. Odamna did not have to choose to ignore the people
and do everything he is doing. The American people only have one option now and
that is to remove them from office as their terms come to an end. A revolution
is out of the question at this point.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: June 19, 2010 04:04AM
So, uh pulse .... by that same logic I guess it'll be you Aussie cats fault too
after the bleak election prospects you mentioned come to pass?
The old hack about "arguing on the internet" seemed to have validity
once upon a time. As the digital age has progressed it would seem this medium
is as good as any and better than some for debating/arguing on topics, most
especially national politics. Could PJ, wolfie, madnez, beast bitch,
9er,'Lando, goins or anyone else and I ever likely have had the opportunity to
share/expound on our personal ideologies by any other means ..... doubtful at
best
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 19, 2010 11:29AM
Any place a group of people can get together and share ideas, express ideas or
share opinions is a good thing no matter how big or small. This site is better
then what was used in the past because when you mix opinions with alcohol you
often get violence. Even when meetings were held in community halls without
alcohol fights would often break out. Here when someone gets mad they have to
use words but in person some people often use violence when they get mad.
ORLANDO399 Report This Comment Date: June 20, 2010 12:50AM
Beast bitch....i love it
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: June 20, 2010 12:54AM
who's the retard? the one who argues on the site? or the one that created the
site with this format?
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 20, 2010 11:30AM
Fossil said: who's the retard? the one who argues on the site? or the one that
created the site with this format?
Or the one who never comments on the internet?
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 23, 2010 08:04AM
Hey, it's an experiment.
I'm not sure what the experiment is meant to resolve. But hey, it is what it is.
I think.
Anyway, yes, no matter which way you look at it, the present state of the USA is
the fault of ALL Americans.
The present state of Australia is the fault of ALL Australians.
The present state of the world is the fault of EVERYBODY. There is no good, no
bad, just different ideas and ideals. Just because you don't agree with
something somebody is doing doesn't make you right and them wrong, it means you
have a difference of opinion.
Just like it's my opinion I should be made overlord and executioner of all, some
may disagree with me. Eventually, I'll reduce the numbers that do oppose me to
zero, then that makes it a fact.
I look forward to the day.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 23, 2010 11:29AM
This site is even better then abcnews forums for political comments, we have
pics here.
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 24, 2010 01:53AM
Unfortunately, when I posted that comment yesterday, I did not expect to have a
new Prime Minister today!
The present state of Australia is NO fault of mine. I didn't vote labour and I
sure as fuck don't support a parliamentary system where you elect a party not a
leader, and then they are free to change those leaders at any time.
I can't believe the ugly ginger bitch got in.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 24, 2010 11:19AM
Well I didn't vote for Odamna so it is no fault of mine either. Maybe you see
some of what we are going through?
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 24, 2010 01:47PM
It's very different.
I didn't vote for the last guy either, I totally get what you're saying, you
don't like him, blah blah blah. However, your country voted for him. You may not
have, but a majority did.
NOBODY. NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON. NOBODY voted for Julia Gillard, now our retard
has been replaced by somebody far worse.
Yay.
fossil_digger Report This Comment Date: June 24, 2010 06:39PM
the 2 are bound to work well together.
Mrkim Report This Comment Date: June 24, 2010 10:20PM
Yeah but the bottom line result's still the same. You didn vote for her, just
like many of us didn vote for the interloper in charge, but we wound up with 'em
in office just the same.
BTW, in the US the Electoral College, not the popular vote actually decides the
winner in the presidential elections. It's a convoluted and antiquated process
but that's what we have, so ....
pulse Report This Comment Date: June 24, 2010 11:42PM
The upshot is not the same though.
"You didn't vote for her, like many didn't vote for Obama".
Many? Yes. All? No.
Regardless of the electoral college (which, along with party nominations is one
of the stupidest things I've ever heard of), he had a LOT of votes. Tens of
millions of them. This is the difference. I wasn't complaining when Kevin Rudd
got in, even though I didn't vote for him and frankly I think he was fucking up
the country. Just like you guys think of Obama.
What I take issue with is the fact that his political party gave him the boot
and replaced him with a new leader, with absolutely ZERO consultation or input
from the people. As I said - not one single person in the entire country voted
for her to be its leader. We didn't go to the polls. It was decided for us.
I think there's a pretty significant difference between that and not liking the
guy who was elected within the confines of the system (which many would also
argue Bush wasn't within those same constraints).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 24/06/2010 11:45PM by pulse.
jgoins Report This Comment Date: June 29, 2010 10:24AM
At least we have an opportunity to start changing things in November by
removing everyone from office who is there now. I guess you guys don't have
that opportunity, sorry for that. I can only hope that all Americans will take
this opportunity to stop the downfall here.
